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by Porphyrogenitos
Tue 17 Jul 2018, 18:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13714
Views: 815112

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

What are geminated nasals likely to turn into? Could they become prenasalized stops?
by Porphyrogenitos
Sun 15 Jul 2018, 07:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Introducing /θ/ and /ð/ to languages with neither
Replies: 9
Views: 300

Re: Introducing /θ/ and /ð/ to languages with neither

Oceanic is an interesting counter-example, which proves that prenasalized stops are the most resistant to fricativization: Proto-Oceanic had a contrast between plain and prenasalized stops, with plain stops being voiceless. In most Oceanic languages, plain stops become fricatives, variously voicele...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sun 01 Jul 2018, 06:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m n w/ /p t k/ /ɸ s x/ /a i u/ /w/ is [ŋ] in coda That w > ŋ change reminds me of some similar changes that happened in various Italian, Romanch, and Francoprovencal varieties where it sometimes went all the way to [g] or [k]. Also coda j > k. I also read a thing by Robert Blust recently where he ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Fri 15 Jun 2018, 19:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Today, I thought about a language where for every segment there is only one syllable it can occur in, i.e. there are no two syllable that share a segment. A toy example would be a language that has /p t k/ and /a i u/: this would only allow the syllables /pa ti ku/. Of course one can use much more ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Fri 18 May 2018, 07:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A diachronic vowel thing inspired by the Southern American Vowel Shift:

i iː > i ei̯
e eː > e ai̯
a aː > a au̯
o oː > o eː
u uː > u iː
ai̯ au̯ > aː oː
oi̯ eu̯ > uː ou̯
by Porphyrogenitos
Fri 18 May 2018, 07:00
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: English Dialects
Replies: 27
Views: 2675

Re: English Dialects

Well, here's mine KIT ɪ DRESS ɛ TRAP æ LOT ɑ STRUT ʌ (it's definitely not actually [ʌ] but it's not quite [ə] either) FOOT ʊ BATH æ CLOTH ɑ NURSE ɚ FLEECE i FACE eɪ PALM ɑ (though historical /l/ has been reinserted into most of the words with orthographic l) THOUGHT ɑ GOAT oʊ GOOSE ʉu PRICE (split b...
by Porphyrogenitos
Wed 18 Apr 2018, 06:32
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A silly thing, but: If there was a language whose vowels corresponded exactly to the names of the English vowel letters, which English dialect would produce the most typologically plausible vowel system? You may optionally include the name of the letter Y. General American produces something almost ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sun 08 Apr 2018, 00:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A thing:

/m n̪ ɳ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ m n rn ny ṅ ṅw
/p t̪ ʈ c k kʷ ʔ/ p t rt ty k kw h
/b d̪ ɖ ɟ g gʷ/ b d rd dy g gw
by Porphyrogenitos
Wed 14 Mar 2018, 04:56
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Can languages diachronically "jump" between modalities?
Replies: 2
Views: 739

Can languages diachronically "jump" between modalities?

This is a topic I've had an ongoing curiosity about, ever since I read this article by Luke Fleming which suggests that Damin, the ritual register of Lardil known for being the only language variety outside Africa with phonemic clicks, originated as a sign language which evolved into a spoken langua...
by Porphyrogenitos
Wed 14 Mar 2018, 04:43
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Will Indo-Aryan no longer be an accepted term in Linguistics?
Replies: 14
Views: 1109

Re: Will Indo-Aryan no longer be an accepted term in Linguistics?

I always thought "Indic" was a catch-all term for all languages of South Asia, in particular casting Indo-Aryan and Dravidian as a historically and culturally intertwined whole. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen it used that way. And I thought the point of the term "Indo-Aryan" was that it didn't r...
by Porphyrogenitos
Wed 14 Mar 2018, 03:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Initials: /m n/ m n /p t t͜ʃ k/ p t ch k /b d d͜ʒ g/ b d j g /f s ʃ h/ f s sh h /w z j/ w z y /l/ l Rimes: /ij ih in iŋ/ [iː ɪ(h) ɪn ɪŋ] ii ih in ing /ej eh en eŋ/ [ei̯ ɛ(h) ɛn ɛŋ] ei eh en eng /aj aw ah an aŋ/ [ai̯ au̯ a(h) an aŋ] ai au ah an ang /oj ow oh on oŋ/ [oi̯ ou̯ ɒ(h) ɒn ɒŋ] oi ou oh on on...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sat 10 Mar 2018, 22:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I find this wonderful. PLEASE make this into something. Thanks! I wanted it to be a kind of thing where you couldn't know whether the labialized consonants were phonemic, or the rounded-unrounded vowel contrast was phonemic. Although I realized I forgot to include a series of syllables with no init...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sat 10 Mar 2018, 06:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

It's...really weird, but I could scrounge up at least tenuous precedents for all of its gaps/outliers from various languages around the world. It actually seems a bit Iroquoian.
by Porphyrogenitos
Sat 10 Mar 2018, 01:40
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A language with the following permissible syllables: mi mʷy mɨ mʷu me mʷø mə mʷo mæ mʷɒ ni nʷy nɨ nʷu ne nʷø nə nʷo næ nʷɒ pi pʷy pɨ pʷu pe pʷø pə pʷo pæ pʷɒ ti tʷy tɨ tʷu te tʷø tə tʷo tæ tʷɒ ki kʷy kɨ kʷu ke kʷø kə kʷo kæ kʷɒ βʷy βʷu βʷø βʷo βʷɒ si sʷy sɨ sʷu se sʷø sə sʷo sæ sʷɒ hi hɨ he hə hæ ɾi...
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 01 Mar 2018, 00:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Many conlangers who try to include clicks in their conlangs end up including a series of plain/tenuis click that looks like this: /ʘ ǀ ǂ ǃ ǁ/ There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but in terms of naturalism, every language that features clicks makes use (sometimes exceedingly generous use) of ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Tue 27 Feb 2018, 08:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

DesEsseintes wrote:
Tue 27 Feb 2018, 07:40
Start off with /a e i o u/ and harmony between /e i/ and /o u/, then e u → ə ɨ.

And yes, it feels good.
Thanks - and that makes sense, though is e > ə so common? I guess something sort of similar happens with the NCVS.
by Porphyrogenitos
Tue 27 Feb 2018, 07:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4940
Views: 419127

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A vowel harmony idea I just came up with. Plausible? Not sure. It seems intuitive.

harmony class I: /i ə/
harmony class II: /ɨ o/
neutral: /a/
by Porphyrogenitos
Tue 30 Jan 2018, 07:49
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: A Curious Kind of English
Replies: 5
Views: 1036

Re: A Curious Kind of English

All of those look very similar to the spelling reforms proposed by various authorities (and endorsed by some people, such as Theodore Roosevelt) in the US in the mid-to-late 19th and early 20th centuries. Spellings like thru now used only in abbreviations and advertisements are oftentimes remnants o...
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 25 Jan 2018, 07:34
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13714
Views: 815112

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I’m trying to reverse-engineer a situation where some suffixes give roots initial stress and others shift the stress to the right. Like say you have a root kawm , and the suffix -ta produces káwmta , but the suffix -su produces kawmsú . I know that if I initially have a regular stress assignment rul...
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 25 Jan 2018, 03:57
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 13
Views: 1368

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

A different, more elaborated version of the same ablaut idea: In the initial stage the vowels are simply /i a u/, no length distinction. Syllables can have coda /j w h/; there are probably other coda consonants, but I am only addressing those three here. /h/ is the counterpart of /a/. Roots commonly...