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by Porphyrogenitos
Sat 09 Dec 2017, 04:29
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I came up with a phonology sketch based on an auto-generated map from @unchartedatlas on Twitter. /i y u/ <i ü u> /e ø o/ <e ö o> /æ a/ <ä a> /m n ŋ/ <m n ng> /t q ʔ/ <t q '> /b d/ <b d> /t͜ɬ t͜ʃ/ <tl ch> /v s ʃ x/ <v s sh kh> /l r/ <l r> /w j/ <w y> Syllable structure is (S)CVC, where C is any cons...
by Porphyrogenitos
Mon 04 Dec 2017, 20:36
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A vowel system: /i u/ /ə/ /ɛ ɔ/ Stress is word-initial. There is a system of vowel harmony, termed "feature harmony": Every vowel in a word must share at least one distinctive feature (height or backness/rounding) with the first vowel in the word. That is, words with initial /u/ may also contain /i ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Mon 04 Dec 2017, 03:03
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Stoplang scratchpad
Replies: 5
Views: 176

Re: Stoplang scratchpad

Looks nice so far. I like the fairly simple aesthetic of its phonology. What were the conditions for the dropping of the unpronounced word-internal and word-final vowels? Cause it looks like not all got dropped. Or if the unpronounced vowels are just orthographic echo vowels, what determines the cho...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sun 03 Dec 2017, 07:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Well, I think wrt the issue of romanization, regardless of the nature of tone as a phenomenon it would be redundant to mark both tones in a two-tone system - e.g. <kèlág ósóma mìpì ìrtámbá> tells you exactly nothing more than either <kelág ósóma mipi irtámbá> or <kèlag osoma mìpì ìrtamba> (regardles...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sat 02 Dec 2017, 07:29
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I was sketching out something but I'm not done with it yet; one interesting thing I thought of is how if you had vowel sandhi but then had a vowel/shift merger the sandhi process could lead to some interesting and unexpected outcomes: e.g. /i/ + /e/ > /i/ and /u/ + /e/ > /o/, but then /u/ > /i/; lea...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sat 02 Dec 2017, 06:33
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I don't think so. Diphthongs often tend to be longer than single vowels. Although, if you mean that there was an original /ee/ that stayed long but the new /e/ + /e/ just became /e/, that might be a little odd. I guess if you conceived of the rule not as /e/ + /e/ = /e/ but rather as "a vowel follow...
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 30 Nov 2017, 18:11
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Debuccalization of coda /s/ to /h/ (or /x/) and vocalization of the coda /h/ to /a/ is the simplest option.
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 30 Nov 2017, 07:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Theoretically, yes, any consonant could undergo complete assimilation; essentially taking on all features of the consonant adjacent to it and retaining only its existence as a unit of length. E.g. amta > atta or abhu > ahhu. But complete assimilation is more "forceful" or "extreme", so it occurs les...
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 30 Nov 2017, 06:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Well, pretty much by any other way you get geminates, but just at the start of a syllable. Deletion of a word-initial vowel before a geminate: attama > ttama Deletion of vowels (due to whatever reason) between two already identical consonants: titama > ttama Assimilation of a cluster and then deleti...
by Porphyrogenitos
Wed 29 Nov 2017, 07:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 10
Views: 525

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

I was thinking of some ideas for Lexember and I came up with a little thing. I might make it into more of a conlang, idk. /paˈin.o/ 'beautiful' (sɢ) < /paˈdi.no/ < /pad/ 'sight' (zero derivation of /pad/ 'see') + /ino/ '-ly' < /hino/ 'body' (or maybe 'face' or 'manner, behavior' or something) /peˈno...
by Porphyrogenitos
Mon 27 Nov 2017, 22:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Wouldn't an alternative explanation for transparent etymologies in PIE but not later languages (alternative, or perhaps additional instead? to the replacement idea) simply be that we'd expect the default position to be transparent etymology (apart from a relatively small number of roots). At every ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Mon 27 Nov 2017, 15:19
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I have a question about derivational morphology, compounding, and transparency - I hope it makes sense. I often check the etymology of words (usually from IE languages) for inspiration as to how I could derive words. What I find is that often the derivation of a word from a PIE root is very transpa...
by Porphyrogenitos
Mon 27 Nov 2017, 08:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Romanization game
Replies: 3545
Views: 153968

Re: Romanization game

/m n~ŋ ɲ~ŋ/ <m n n'> /p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d k' g' k g> /t͡s d͡z ʈ͡ʂ ɖ͡ʐ c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/ <c x ch xh ch' xh'> /f v s z ʂ ʐ ɕː ʑː x ɣ/ <f v s z sh zh sh' zh' kh gh> /j ɾ r ɫ l ʎ/ <y r rr lh l l'> /i ɨ u/ <i ï u> or, to go out on a limb just to avoid diacritics, <i iw u> /e ɘ o/ <e ö o> or <e ow o> /ə/ <ë>...
by Porphyrogenitos
Mon 27 Nov 2017, 07:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

This is once again not a full phonemic inventory, but just an idea: It would be rather fun/obnoxious to make a language with a phonemic inventory overall similar to English, and with an overall similar phonological structure, but only allow consonant clusters that are forbidden in English and sound ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sun 26 Nov 2017, 07:50
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

You could also do /b d g bː dː gː/ > /β ð ɣ b d g/ /p t k pː tː kː/ > /pʰ tʰ kʰ p t k/ I feel geminates are more likely to resist aspiration but perhaps that’s just me. Of course, in Icelandic, it’s the geminates that develop preaspiration so if you go down that route your original arrangement make...
by Porphyrogenitos
Sun 26 Nov 2017, 06:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Oh, here's another thing I thought of related to preaspiration (or, well, gemination, which is a possible source of preaspiration) - So if you had a voiced and an unvoiced series, say /b d g/ and /p t k/, and developed contrastive gemination, the following shifts could very easily happen: /b d g bː ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Fri 24 Nov 2017, 06:55
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Oh, speaking of preaspirated consonants, I just thought of a nice allophony rule I might use for them in the future: After a back rounded non-low vowel, preaspiration is [ʍ] After a low vowel, preaspiration is [χ] After a front non-low vowel, preaspiration is [ç] After a front rounded non-low vowel,...
by Porphyrogenitos
Fri 24 Nov 2017, 05:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13248
Views: 612836

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Do you like to be able to pronounce your conlangs more or less accurately and fluidly? I am asking because I have always tended to only make languages which I can pronounce easily. I am trying to step out of my comfort zone a bit, but I find it frustrating when the language is difficult to pronounc...
by Porphyrogenitos
Thu 23 Nov 2017, 21:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/p t t͡ʃ k/ /ʰp ʰt ʰt͡ʃ ʰk/ /s h/ /m n j/ /i u/ /e ø o/ /æ ɑ/ Syllable structure is CV, where the pre-aspirated series is restricted to intervocalic position. Oh, I like this. It has a somewhat Uralic flavor. I'm trying to think of a source for the origin of the preaspirated series' distributional ...
by Porphyrogenitos
Tue 21 Nov 2017, 15:03
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 4740
Views: 305785

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/p t k/ /b d g/ /ts tɬ/ /f s ɬ h/ /l ɾ/ /w j/ /a e i o u/ /ai̯ au̯/ Syllable structure is (C)V(n); coda /n/ may only appear word-medially and assimilates to the place of the following consonant. Historically, there was a shift /i u e o/ > /ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ/ > /e o ai̯ au̯/ before coda /n/; this was phonemici...