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by Ithisa
Sun 04 Jun 2017, 19:06
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Curiosities from the languages of Italy
Replies: 15
Views: 1290

Re: Curiosities from the languages of Italy

Not surprising that the Urheimat of Romance languages have the most interesting diversity of them :)
by Ithisa
Thu 01 Jun 2017, 17:55
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 973

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

"I force-feed fish" would be "1-ERG fish-ERG eat", with a pro-dropped thing that's getting eaten. That bit is problematic, usually in ergative langs the absolutive NP is mandatory, or at least more mandatory than the ergative one. I would expect that to be able to express “I force-feed fish”, you’d...
by Ithisa
Thu 01 Jun 2017, 16:59
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 973

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

Frislander wrote:the causer need not be the same as the person actually eating the fish.
Indeed, it seems like I missed that fact. It does seem that the causative is a lot more general than "agent".
by Ithisa
Thu 01 Jun 2017, 16:11
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 973

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

Generally speaking ergative and passive sentences look more or less the same, the only exception being that a passive would be clearly a derived structure while an ergative sentence is an underlying structure (hence passives being marked with some form of construction). In most ergative languages, ...
by Ithisa
Thu 01 Jun 2017, 14:53
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 973

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

Adding a causer/agent to a passive verb is usually just called 'reintroducing the agent' and the result is sometimes 'agentive passive'. Agent Patient Verb <- Active voice Agent Patient Verb-Passive <-Passive voice Patient Verb-Passive Agent-OBL <-Agentive Passive construction If you used a causati...
by Ithisa
Thu 01 Jun 2017, 14:30
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 973

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

My point with causatives is that "to be eaten" / "to eat" can be reanalyzed as "is eaten" / "cause to be eaten"; so removing an ergative from a transitive sentence to express the passive can be reanalyzed as adding an ergative to *any* intransitive sentence to express the causative.
by Ithisa
Thu 01 Jun 2017, 03:32
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 973

Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?

This question is really about whether a feature in a conlang I'm making is realistic or not, so sorry if it belongs more in the conlangs board. But it is also about how real-life languages with ergative-absolutive alignment work, and it seems like the conlangs board is just about showing off conlang...
by Ithisa
Fri 24 Apr 2015, 21:04
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13252
Views: 612949

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

So I finally just got into clicks. Ok. This ǃ˞ does not seem to want to combine with superscript h or vowel letters without making something or another generally unreadable. I don't wanna drop just this one particular click nor do the digraph ǃǃ . What's a good font to get around this? Also a good ...
by Ithisa
Fri 24 Apr 2015, 01:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Proto-Avestan
Replies: 6
Views: 1248

Re: Proto-Avestan

by Ithisa
Thu 23 Apr 2015, 20:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Yay or Nay?
Replies: 2657
Views: 140837

Re: Yay or Nay?

Mawacin doesn't have tense. Should it have an aorist aspect to denote the aspect in English "He walks across the building"? Does syncreting this into the gnomic (which applies to sentences like "I love you" and "the Earth is big") make any sense, or would doing so be relexing English?
by Ithisa
Thu 23 Apr 2015, 20:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What's your favourite word in your conlang?
Replies: 81
Views: 6794

Re: What's your favourite word in your conlang?

In Mawacin it's probably ėšıš [jeʃɨʃ] is walking. I dunno, it just sounds like walking.
by Ithisa
Sun 27 Jul 2014, 18:10
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Zsebemben sok kicsi sárga alma van
Replies: 1
Views: 773

Zsebemben sok kicsi sárga alma van

The title contains a Hungarian sentence cited quite a few times by Turks who try to argue that Hungarian is Turkic. Apparently the Turkish equivalent is "cebimde çok küçük sarı elma var". AFAIK, Uralic and Turkic are not considered to be related. What is the mechanism behind the regular similarity o...
by Ithisa
Sun 27 Jul 2014, 16:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese
Replies: 14
Views: 830

Re: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese

Verb conjugation classes There are three main verb classes in LogJ:monograde (MN, itsidan ) and quadrigrade (QD, jodan ). There is also a marginal r-irregular (Irr, ra-hen ) verb class containing various auxiliaries. Using the traditional Japanese principal parts (this may be extremely confusing fo...
by Ithisa
Sun 27 Jul 2014, 15:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese
Replies: 14
Views: 830

Re: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese

Can I ask for a little clarification? You claim Japanese to be similar to a loglang but you didn't list at all the reasons why you may think. In my opinion, Japanese is not more logical than English, Hindi or Proto-Ugric. What is the special factor of logicalness that it has more than any other lan...
by Ithisa
Sun 27 Jul 2014, 14:31
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese
Replies: 14
Views: 830

Re: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese

I like what I see. :D Extra points if you can weasel in Classical Japanese stuff like nari/tari :P Relative clauses & advanced verbs coming soon will lug in so much CJ that the language is more CJ than NJ :P Here's a sample (LogJ is actually finished, just writing about it takes time): Nerusi issjo...
by Ithisa
Sat 26 Jul 2014, 16:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlang Conversation Thread
Replies: 8118
Views: 455739

Re: Conlang Conversation Thread

Ezuxtov, Japonic conlang spoken in Hokkaidō and Kamchatka in alternate timeline. Мотюр памать! Пуккару амамі мотіт, варай умін пірокарь намим. of.course hamachi! deep-ADN be.delicious-INF hold-GER, me-ERG sea-GEN be.wide-INF taste-CONJ Of course, hamachi! It is deeply delicious, and I feel like I am...
by Ithisa
Sat 26 Jul 2014, 15:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlang Conversation Thread
Replies: 8118
Views: 455739

Re: Conlang Conversation Thread

"LogJ". Unambiguous stack-based logical language trying to maintain as much back-compatibility with Japanese as possible. Still complex sentences are probably impossible for Japanese speakers to follow correctly. Boku wa rokugatsu de Nihon e ikitari, iroirona son uwo niku motte tsukurareru susi to s...
by Ithisa
Sat 26 Jul 2014, 14:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese
Replies: 14
Views: 830

Re: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese

LogJ (yes, that's the name, please feel free to suggest non-atrocious ones!) 論理(ろんり)? or some other word based around some meaning of logic. Anyway, I don't know much about Japanese, but this sounds like a pretty cool project! I'll be keeping tabs on it. [:D] Yeah, since an English-based loglang sh...
by Ithisa
Sat 26 Jul 2014, 10:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 13252
Views: 612949

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

taylorS wrote:When a language has a single set of plosives (say, /p t k kw/ are they usually voiced between vowels, or does it just depend on the language?
Depends on the language I guess. Hawaiian doesn't voice them between vowels.
by Ithisa
Sat 26 Jul 2014, 09:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese
Replies: 14
Views: 830

Re: Loglang mutually intelligible with Japanese

LogJ (yes, that's the name, please feel free to suggest non-atrocious ones!) 論理(ろんり)? or some other word based around some meaning of logic. Anyway, I don't know much about Japanese, but this sounds like a pretty cool project! I'll be keeping tabs on it. [:D] Yeah, since an English-based loglang sh...