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by Nortaneous
Fri 05 Oct 2018, 07:08
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: English Dialects
Replies: 34
Views: 5024

Re: English Dialects

KIT /i/ [ɪ] DRESS /e/ [ɛ] TRAP /æ/ [æ] modulo GenAm æ-raising, which is arguably phonemic because æ was raised differently (to [æi̯]) before [ŋ], but this no longer applies, so novel æ + [ŋ] sequences can be -eə̯ŋ- rather than -æi̯ŋ- (bank [bæi̯ŋk], Bernanke [bɚˈneə̯ŋkɪi̯]) LOT = PALM STRUT /ʌ/ [ʌ] ...
by Nortaneous
Fri 05 Oct 2018, 06:49
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Today I learned ...
Replies: 12
Views: 1978

Re: Today I learned ...

An important detail is that, in Bashkir, unrounded mid vowels are short and prone to elision. I don't know if there's a consensus, but what probably happened is that the original mid/high contrast was reanalyzed as a tense/lax or long/short contrast, at which point the new tense/long vowels started ...
by Nortaneous
Tue 29 May 2018, 07:19
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: How would you redesign IPA?
Replies: 30
Views: 5081

Re: How would you redesign IPA?

Right, subglottal pulse. How acoustically and articulatorily different is the Gimi 'voiced glottal stop' from the Finnish realization of the syllable boundary in minimal pairs like /hæ.æt/ "carbon monoxides" vs. /hæ:t/ "wedding", /va:.an/ "of the scale" vs. /va:n/ "however" vs. /va.an/ "venerable.GE...
by Nortaneous
Tue 29 May 2018, 06:47
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Surprising cognates
Replies: 81
Views: 10779

Re: Surprising cognates

Armenian ewt'n "seven" ~ Akkadian sibittu id. Finnish taivas "sky" ~ Georgian devi "monster" ~ Arabic diyū "demon" ~ English Tyr Lule Sami boatsoj "reindeer" ~ Bashkir mïšï "moose" ~ English fee Finnish sarvi "horn" ~ Finnish hirvi "elk" ~ English hornet ~ English cerebrum Pite Sami tjuohte "hundred...
by Nortaneous
Tue 15 May 2018, 05:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Amanghu (天語), or Chinese Altaic
Replies: 27
Views: 3324

Re: Amanghu (天語), or Chinese Altaic

Wakhi: /tʃ tʂ/ <ч ч̣>
Kalmyk: /tɕ tʂ/ <ч ж>
by Nortaneous
Tue 15 May 2018, 05:49
Forum: Anthropology, Culture & History
Topic: National Anthems
Replies: 51
Views: 12754

Re: National Anthems

best state anthem in Russia aside from Tuva is Mordovia
by Nortaneous
Wed 09 May 2018, 12:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Amanghu (天語), or Chinese Altaic
Replies: 27
Views: 3324

Re: Amanghu (天語), or Chinese Altaic

Could use <x> or hard sign for aspiration. Palochka is generally for ejectives but there might be precedent for it for aspirates. Cyrillic <j> is rare outside South Slavic -- you probably want <й>. /ɥ/ is <ҩ> in Adyghe but you could use ve + soft sign. Which of Russian /ʂ ɕ/ would Russian-speaking l...
by Nortaneous
Wed 09 May 2018, 12:27
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: How would you redesign IPA?
Replies: 30
Views: 5081

Re: How would you redesign IPA?

Alveopalatal hook should obviously be added, and the existing palatal symbols should be reserved for prevelars. Also sinological symbols for fricated vowels, symbols for linguolabials and non-alveolar lateral fricatives, symbol for the 'glottal pulse' (Gimi, Finnish)... The symbol for the uvular nas...
by Nortaneous
Tue 24 Apr 2018, 19:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Replies: 616
Views: 64866

Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

*pl *gl seem clear. Initial vowel vacillation is probably from schwa. 7/8 a-/i- vs. ʔa-/ʔi- suggests C@ sequence. Maybe word-initial schwa was deleted in most branches, or schwa was appended to the first word in 5-8 and 14-17. Whatever consonant it was, it probably didn't occur anywhere in the firs...
by Nortaneous
Tue 24 Apr 2018, 15:01
Forum: Translations
Topic: A man walks into a bar
Replies: 28
Views: 3874

Re: A man walks into a bar

Amqoli has productive morphology for deriving verbs of motion from nouns, and that's the default way of handling constructions like these. bgul barshixs man bar-V>N.into-3M.ABS If you want "walks", add an adverb: bgul qalib barshixs If for whatever reason you want to topicalize "bar", derive the ver...
by Nortaneous
Tue 24 Apr 2018, 14:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Amanghu (天語), or Chinese Altaic
Replies: 27
Views: 3324

Re: Amanghu (天語), or Chinese Altaic

The concept is interesting -- another weird Sinitic language, like Bai or Wutun. (Bai may or may not be Sinitic, but if it isn't, it's likely the closest relative to Sinitic within Sino-Tibetan, so it might be worth a look for solid etymologies.) How did the initial mutations develop? The Cyrillizat...
by Nortaneous
Mon 23 Apr 2018, 11:17
Forum: Translations
Topic: I was walking in the forest...
Replies: 54
Views: 9265

Re: I was walking in the forest...

I don't feel like making a word for 'forest' Vian: Chi cyp kep wzt mq e wqt che futrepsyp, tqzyp kotkep mt zyx. /tɕī tsz̩̀ kè wə́ mɒ̄ɴ jē wɒ́ tɕē fúrèsz̩̀ tɒ̄dzz̩̀ kókè mḿ̩ dzẑ̩/ during NMLZ go walk NMLZ POSS 1S in forest, branch fall on head A construction with 'then' is also possible: Wqt ke wz jj...
by Nortaneous
Fri 06 Apr 2018, 12:05
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: A Curious Kind of English
Replies: 7
Views: 1555

Re: A Curious Kind of English

There was some push back then to reform English spelling so that immigrants and illiterates could learn it more easily. In the most extreme case, the Mormons 𐑋𐐩𐐼 𐑄𐐩𐑉 𐐬𐑌 𐐰𐑊𐑁𐐲𐐺𐐯𐐻, which had the additional advantage of keeping non-Mormons out. What ended up happening instead was that America dramatical...
by Nortaneous
Wed 21 Mar 2018, 09:25
Forum: Translations
Topic: Lion-Eating Poet
Replies: 11
Views: 2217

Re: Lion-Eating Poet

Gejaehl Hlu: Kayan wöngyisä Xi, yi ti yci hna ḍöny ḍüyi yi, jiji yhwanyew önya yi, yaḥi yhwanyew yu hmyöyituka. Yöḥnga yömwi chühmün hwanyew öḥüngswehla. Yu yhwanyew yu yḍwöy mung chühmün ölexa; wü ḍwöy mung khö Xi chühmün ölexa. Yu yhwanyew sweḥa ḥa yi pän ala mya yi yihla hmibotwüla. Böny chö yu y...
by Nortaneous
Tue 13 Mar 2018, 16:07
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: How would you romanize Kazakh?
Replies: 19
Views: 3481

Re: How would you romanize Kazakh?

Thank God! I'm not particularly a fan but it's definitely a vast improvement over the older one. The sample from earlier rendered in the new script would be the following: Барлық адамдар тумысынан азат және қадір-қасиеті мен кұқықтары тең болып дүниеге келеді. Адамдарға ақыл-парасат, ар-ождан беріл...
by Nortaneous
Sun 04 Mar 2018, 13:46
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Surprising cognates
Replies: 81
Views: 10779

Re: Surprising cognates

More Chinese-English cognates: 轂 gu3 'nave of a wheel' < OC *kok ~ TB kokale 'wheel' < PIE *kʷekʷlo- > Eng. wheel 鞹 kuo4 'leather' < OC *khwak ~ TA kʷāc- 'leather' < PIE *kuH-ti- > Eng. hide 厄 e4 'yoke' < OC *qˤr(i/e)k ~ PIE *h3reǵ- > Eng. rake , reckon , rank , rich , drake , etc. 垣 yuan2 'wall, ci...
by Nortaneous
Thu 15 Feb 2018, 12:21
Forum: Conworlds & Concultures
Topic: A script challenge
Replies: 6
Views: 1759

Re: A script challenge

Must there be? It's the same in principle as writing English in Cyrillic. Cyrillic has more than 26 letters, but they aren't all ligatures...

(There are no font-level ligatures. There may be a few characters that are ligatural in origin.)
by Nortaneous
Tue 13 Feb 2018, 15:33
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: English Dialects
Replies: 34
Views: 5024

Re: English Dialects

KIT ɪ DRESS ɛ TRAP æ LOT ɑ STRUT ʌ FOOT ʊ BATH æ CLOTH ɔə NURSE ɚ FLEECE ij FACE ej PALM ɑ THOUGHT ɔə GOAT əw GOOSE ʉw PRICE aj/əj CHOICE oj MOUTH æw NEAR ir SQUARE er START ɔr NORTH or FORCE or CURE jor/jɚ HappY ɨ(j) LettER ɚ CommA ə There are eight stressed vowels, which may as well be written /æ ...
by Nortaneous
Tue 13 Feb 2018, 14:25
Forum: Conworlds & Concultures
Topic: A script challenge
Replies: 6
Views: 1759

A script challenge

Here are two samples of English text, pulled from sources that you probably know and certainly have heard of, and written in a conscript. Can you read them? I've deleted a few spaces to make it at least nontrivial. (I'm trying to gauge whether the derivation is too transparent, so I'll give y'all th...
by Nortaneous
Tue 19 Dec 2017, 02:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What did you accomplish today?
Replies: 11178
Views: 764504

Re: What did you accomplish today?

niɲɤɬi jiɬ hɤɲ ⁿgɔ ɤrulɔ || ʔɔ ⁿdɤɲ kʰɤ ʔwes ɤleʔɯŋ | ʔɔ çinɔ ji ɤçɤcæɬilo || ʔɔ ɬilɔ ɤwɤɲji jæ ⁿbɔwusɔhæ || jæ wɔ n̥ɔ ɤmjɔlɔ ⁿgɔs tʰu wo ⁿdɤj || ʔɔ ɤwɤɲji m̥æjoⁿbɔsɔhæ | ⁿgɔ ɗo li ʔjɔ jæʔɯŋ li m̥æⁿbɔsɔhæ | ⁿdɤ cʰɯ ɗwi jiɬ ajtaw || ʔwe ɠom ⁿdɤ li m̥ɔⁿguⁿbɔɗɯsæ i ⁿdɤɲ ɗo jo sweʔ li | ɤⁿɟɔlelɔ ʔɔ ɤwɤɲ...