Symbols of Concultures

Discussions about constructed worlds, cultures and any topics related to constructed societies.
clawgrip
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2399
Joined: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 06:33
Location: Tokyo

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by clawgrip » Mon 21 Dec 2015, 15:25

Thrice Xandvii wrote:I don't mean to come across rude, but that flag violates rule #4 of good flag design: Don't use text or seals.

Unfortunately, since that's all that's on it, I can't really suggest merely removing it or any improvements.
Wait, what's wrong with seals? What else are you going to charge on a flag? Or are you drawing some sort of distinction between a seal and an emblem?
User avatar
Qxentio
hieroglyphic
hieroglyphic
Posts: 40
Joined: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 12:04
Location: Angria

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Qxentio » Mon 21 Dec 2015, 18:55

The Θ is okay in my book. It's just a single letter and a fairly simple shape. But the text below is superfluous. If you have to put the name of your country on the flag, it isn't relevant enough to have a flag.
Meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. My second language is English. Olim discēbam Latinam. Sú ginévam Jagárhvejak. Opiskelen Suomea. Un ek kür en lütten Tick Platt.
User avatar
Dormouse559
moderator
moderator
Posts: 2639
Joined: Sat 10 Nov 2012, 20:52
Location: California

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Dormouse559 » Mon 21 Dec 2015, 19:06

clawgrip wrote:Wait, what's wrong with seals? What else are you going to charge on a flag? Or are you drawing some sort of distinction between a seal and an emblem?
I believe the proscription is usually against unmodified/minimally modified seals (or coats-of-arms). They're usually small and highly detailed with even smaller writing on them. None of that can be easily reproduced from memory or appreciated on a flag flapping in the wind. So it's preferable to choose one or two distinctive features from a seal, then blow them up and stylize the heck out of them.
User avatar
Shemtov
runic
runic
Posts: 2722
Joined: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 03:06

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Shemtov » Tue 22 Dec 2015, 00:12

Qxentio wrote:The Θ is okay in my book. It's just a single letter and a fairly simple shape. But the text below is superfluous. If you have to put the name of your country on the flag, it isn't relevant enough to have a flag.
It's not the country's (actually empire's) name. The Symbolism is that of the letter theta, standing for "Theos", meaning "God" being above "Mikhu Stefanos" "Mikhon's crown" which is a metaphor for the ruling house.
Maybe something more symbolic would be better, but as said above, the letters are authentic to the period.
Many children make up, or begin to make up, imaginary languages. I have been at it since I could write.
-JRR Tolkien
User avatar
loglorn
mayan
mayan
Posts: 2025
Joined: Mon 17 Mar 2014, 03:22

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by loglorn » Tue 22 Dec 2015, 02:44

Shemtov wrote:
Qxentio wrote:The Θ is okay in my book. It's just a single letter and a fairly simple shape. But the text below is superfluous. If you have to put the name of your country on the flag, it isn't relevant enough to have a flag.
It's not the country's (actually empire's) name. The Symbolism is that of the letter theta, standing for "Theos", meaning "God" being above "Mikhu Stefanos" "Mikhon's crown" which is a metaphor for the ruling house.
Maybe something more symbolic would be better, but as said above, the letters are authentic to the period.
The Theta could be better positioned, though.
Diachronic Conlanging is the path to happiness, given time. [;)]

Gigxkpoyan Languages: CHÍFJAEŚÍ RETLA TLAPTHUV DÄLDLEN CJUŚËKNJU ṢATT

Other langs: Søsøzatli Kamëzet
User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Tue 22 Dec 2015, 07:32

clawgrip wrote:
Thrice Xandvii wrote:I don't mean to come across rude, but that flag violates rule #4 of good flag design: Don't use text or seals.

Unfortunately, since that's all that's on it, I can't really suggest merely removing it or any improvements.
Wait, what's wrong with seals? What else are you going to charge on a flag? Or are you drawing some sort of distinction between a seal and an emblem?
Seals, as Dormouse pointed out, are generally crammed full of tiny details, usually slogans, etc.

There is a gulf of difference between some of the older flags of Germany and the current flag of Spain in my opinion. (Also lots of US state flags are nothing but an unmodified seal on a blue background.)

http://www.onlinestores.com/flagdetecti ... ate-hi.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... in.svg.png
Shemtov wrote:
Qxentio wrote:The Θ is okay in my book. It's just a single letter and a fairly simple shape. But the text below is superfluous. If you have to put the name of your country on the flag, it isn't relevant enough to have a flag.
It's not the country's (actually empire's) name. The Symbolism is that of the letter theta, standing for "Theos", meaning "God" being above "Mikhu Stefanos" "Mikhon's crown" which is a metaphor for the ruling house.
Maybe something more symbolic would be better, but as said above, the letters are authentic to the period.
A more symbolic option may be to literally place a crown toward the bottom with either a theta as you suggested, or possibly some other symbol of the deity floating above it. Easily recognizable and easily reproducible even by folks who can't read or write.
Image
User avatar
Qxentio
hieroglyphic
hieroglyphic
Posts: 40
Joined: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 12:04
Location: Angria

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Qxentio » Wed 23 Dec 2015, 00:31

Thrice Xandvii wrote:Maybe something more symbolic would be better, but as said above, the letters are authentic to the period.
A more symbolic option may be to literally place a crown toward the bottom with either a theta as you suggested, or possibly some other symbol of the deity floating above it. Easily recognizable and easily reproducible even by folks who can't read or write.[/quote]
How about a crown above the theta, or a crown in place of the little bar in the center?
Meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. My second language is English. Olim discēbam Latinam. Sú ginévam Jagárhvejak. Opiskelen Suomea. Un ek kür en lütten Tick Platt.
User avatar
Shemtov
runic
runic
Posts: 2722
Joined: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 03:06

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Shemtov » Wed 23 Dec 2015, 02:29

Qxentio wrote: How about a crown above the theta, or a crown in place of the little bar in the center?
The crown needs to be below the Theta, as it symbolizes Theos being over the Crown. Also, the crown would probably have a little mu in it, so it's obviously Mikhon's Crown
Something like this (using a more authentic theta, now that I think about it):
Image
(note the crown being more of a golden diadem)

Meanwhile, the modern flag of Arrdhila:
Image
Many children make up, or begin to make up, imaginary languages. I have been at it since I could write.
-JRR Tolkien
User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Wed 23 Dec 2015, 07:25

Again, if the flag is for Mikhon, then indicating what the crown is for is redundant. Flags are meant to be somewhat symbolic of the entire nation/empire/etc. for which it stands, so it goes without saying that the symbols thereupon represent that municipality... I mean, that's the entire point of the flag.

This is the tentative flag I made for the nation that speaks the language of Project Nephrite (otherwise known as Dŭhok).

Image

I've yet to work out the symbolism, but the colors are meant to evoke jade. I'm thinking the placement of the stripes near the fly of the flag will be important considering features are more often placed toward the hoist so that they are less likely to tear or fray.

Maybe the stripes at the end will represent fringe colonies or something along those lines?
Image
User avatar
Shemtov
runic
runic
Posts: 2722
Joined: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 03:06

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Shemtov » Wed 23 Dec 2015, 21:44

Thrice Xandvii wrote:Again, if the flag is for Mikhon, then indicating what the crown is for is redundant. Flags are meant to be somewhat symbolic of the entire nation/empire/etc. for which it stands, so it goes without saying that the symbols thereupon represent that municipality... I mean, that's the entire point of the flag.
But to be a symbol, the symbol has to be distinguishable, and a thick gold oval is to bland IMO to be a symbol of the dynasty.
Many children make up, or begin to make up, imaginary languages. I have been at it since I could write.
-JRR Tolkien
User avatar
Shemtov
runic
runic
Posts: 2722
Joined: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 03:06

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Shemtov » Wed 24 Feb 2016, 21:18

Flag of the Independent Grand Duchy of Basil:
Image

And the Older version, used until 1982:
Image
Many children make up, or begin to make up, imaginary languages. I have been at it since I could write.
-JRR Tolkien
User avatar
Shemtov
runic
runic
Posts: 2722
Joined: Mon 29 Apr 2013, 03:06

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Shemtov » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 05:42

A flag symbolizing Angelnisc identity:
Image
Many children make up, or begin to make up, imaginary languages. I have been at it since I could write.
-JRR Tolkien
User avatar
rajavlitra
hieroglyphic
hieroglyphic
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat 17 Jan 2015, 03:11
Contact:

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by rajavlitra » Thu 03 Mar 2016, 13:32

Image

an emblem i did for my pseudo-malay/buddhist con-culture.
If anyone has asked what I tend to draw on my pc, it's mountains. Fucking mountains. (dA | tumblr)

Image
User avatar
Lambuzhao
earth
earth
Posts: 7623
Joined: Sun 13 May 2012, 01:57

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Lambuzhao » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 12:27

Welcome, rajavlitra!

Nice symbol!

Far Cry Primal playthroughs taught me more about Proto-Indo-European than any other PIE repository in existence.
Chalk one up for (quasi)immersive language study. [:)]
User avatar
rajavlitra
hieroglyphic
hieroglyphic
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat 17 Jan 2015, 03:11
Contact:

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by rajavlitra » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 16:49

While I'm at it, I want to introduce here insignia from a particular con-culture (i didn't make this, but eh) from one of my favorite Conworlding projects. I'm calling this conculture "Vaestdom" (from Vaestism, their religion) for the sake of brevity.

Vaestdom is a very stratified, orthodox, religious and very totalitarian culture based upon the accumulation of knowledge (it's kind of a complicated story). Aesthetically, the Vesnites follow a strange mix of Middle-Eastern, Slavic, Turkic and even Tibetan traditions, legacies of ancient civilizations that were subjugated by preceding empires before the subsequent rise of the Vaestic world.

Image
The Octad, or the "Storm-Wheel" is the primary symbol of distinction among Vesnites, an abstract representation of the Prophet's transcendence and liberation from mortality and the endless cycle of reincarnation in the Battle of the Holy Storm. This "Storm-Wheel" varies in design and shape in various Vaestic emblems, all denomination, or "Banner".

A couple of examples:
Image
(The first Banner flown in Vaestism, it's tradition I assume inspired from the "Black Standard" of Islam
Image
Banner of Azophin, originally flown during the Neritsovid Era
Image
Banner of Terophan
Image
Banner of the Ascesian Empire
Image
Banner of Rania
Image
Banner of Lacre. The octagonal borders serve as the "Storm-Wheel" of the flag.
Image
Banner of Agamar.
If anyone has asked what I tend to draw on my pc, it's mountains. Fucking mountains. (dA | tumblr)

Image
User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Fri 04 Mar 2016, 17:58

Those are all pretty nifty, but I am specifically enamored with the Ascesian Empire one!
Image
User avatar
rajavlitra
hieroglyphic
hieroglyphic
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat 17 Jan 2015, 03:11
Contact:

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by rajavlitra » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 02:12

rajavlitra wrote:While I'm at it, I want to introduce here insignia from a particular con-culture (i didn't make this, but eh) from one of my favorite Conworlding projects. I'm calling this conculture "Vaestdom" (from Vaestism, their religion) for the sake of brevity.

Vaestdom is a very stratified, orthodox, religious and very totalitarian culture based upon the accumulation of knowledge (it's kind of a complicated story). Aesthetically, the Vesnites follow a strange mix of Middle-Eastern, Slavic, Turkic and even Tibetan traditions, legacies of ancient civilizations that were subjugated by preceding empires before the subsequent rise of the Vaestic world.

Image
The Octad, or the "Storm-Wheel" is the primary symbol of distinction among Vesnites, an abstract representation of the Prophet's transcendence and liberation from mortality and the endless cycle of reincarnation in the Battle of the Holy Storm. This "Storm-Wheel" varies in design and shape in various Vaestic emblems, all denomination, or "Banner".

A couple of examples:
Image
(The first Banner flown in Vaestism, it's tradition I assume inspired from the "Black Standard" of Islam
Image
Banner of Azophin, originally flown during the Neritsovid Era
Image
Banner of Terophan
Image
Banner of the Ascesian Empire
Image
Banner of Rania
Image
Banner of Lacre. The octagonal borders serve as the "Storm-Wheel" of the flag.
Image
Banner of Agamar.
Image
I also forgot, this is the banner of the long defunct Lefdic Empire (now part of Terophan).
If anyone has asked what I tend to draw on my pc, it's mountains. Fucking mountains. (dA | tumblr)

Image
User avatar
alynnidalar
roman
roman
Posts: 1036
Joined: Sun 17 Aug 2014, 02:22
Location: Michigan, USA

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by alynnidalar » Sat 05 Mar 2016, 18:37

Nice collection! I live the differing interpretations, and I also particularly like the Ascesian Empire's.
User avatar
WeepingElf
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 137
Joined: Tue 23 Feb 2016, 18:42
Location: Braunschweig, Germany
Contact:

Re: Symbols of Concultures

Post by WeepingElf » Sun 06 Mar 2016, 18:58

The insignia of the Commonwealth of the Elves:

Image
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
User avatar
shanoxilt
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 187
Joined: Mon 30 May 2016, 05:51

Re: Flägs & vexillology!

Post by shanoxilt » Tue 24 Jul 2018, 05:19

Click here to join the Common Honey server. Or click here for a general glossopoeia server.
Post Reply