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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Sankon » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 07:36

In reconstructed Classical Latin pronunciation, V/U is pronounced /u w/. Y is either pronounced /y/, /i/, or /u/. Y is a loan from Greek, and as Latin had no such phoneme /y/, it adapted it as /i/ or /u/.

Ecclesiastical pronunciation of U/V and Y is the same.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by wakeagainstthefall » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 18:55

Sankon wrote:In reconstructed Classical Latin pronunciation, V/U is pronounced /u w/.
Wheelock's Latin says that the "u" is pronounced like "u" in "put" at the ends of words.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Sankon » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 19:02

Short u is commonly thought to be somewhat lowered to [ʊ], like the vowel in put, as it evolved into /o/ in Vulgar Latin. Phonemically, it is just /u/.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by wakeagainstthefall » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 19:13

Oh good... That makes my life easier. Do you know of any good sites where I can learn Latin grammar without having to have a PhD in linguistics?
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Sankon » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 19:27

It seems you have Wheelock's, that's always good...
Here are some other resources:

Whitaker's Words: A Latin dictionary/parser. BEST THING EVER

Really, those are the only things I use. Wheelock's is an excellent textbook/learning resource, and it is not very liguisticky. It has all you need to achieve a solid grounding in Latin: exercises, vocabulary, grammar. Wikipedia helps, but it tends to get into overmuch detail, which doesn't seem to be what you're looking for...
If you want other resources, I'm sure you can find some with a quick Google search.

What I find helps with learning is writing things in Latin: keeping a diary/journal, translating fairy tales, writing a stupid story.

Bonam fortunam!
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by wakeagainstthefall » Tue 21 Jun 2011, 05:01

I don't have it, but I just looked some of this up on their site. And how many noun declensions are there?
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Sankon » Tue 21 Jun 2011, 07:01

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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Fabianus » Fri 19 Aug 2011, 23:22

Salvete,

Cuicumque qui linguam Latinam discere vult vel in ea progrediri cupit, hæc ligamina suadeo:

To whomever who wants to learn Latin or wishes to improve, I recommand these links:

Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=UOcRPum ... &q&f=false

Schola, an excellent living-Latin website, actually my favorite:
http://schola.ning.com/

Suaderi possunt etiam multa alia variissima, ut Vicipædia, Ephemeris, Nova Roma, Schola Nova...
Many other various things can be recommanded, such as Vicipæcia, Ephemeris, Nova Roma, Schola Nova... Francogallicis placebit hoc situs, in quo inveniuntur lectionesque dictionariumque:
French people will enjoy this site, in which can be found and lessons and a dictionnary:
http://www.prima-elementa.fr

Omnes autem utile habebunt hoc vastissimum modernæ Latinitatis dictionarium:
Everybody will find useful this very wide dictionnary of modern latin:
http://facweb.furman.edu/~dmorgan/lexicon/silva.htm

Scitisne vos posse Google vel Facebook Latine uti ? Videte inter optiones linguisticas... (obiter, Facebook nondum totum conversum est)
Do you know you can use Google or Facebook in latin ? Look among language parameters... (by the way, Facebook isn't totally translated yet)

Me vobis utilem fuisse spero. Nolite hærere me interrogare, respondebo adeo ut potero, etsi linguæ haud perfecte peritus sum.
I hope I was useful to you. Feel free to ask me questions, I will answer as well as I can, although I don't master Latin perfectly.

Valete,
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PS: If it can help, "y" in classical latin is supposed to be the sound of German "ü" or Greek "upsilon". You can hear it there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_front_rounded_vowel
Whereas "u" is , like in Italian, Spanish, German "u", French "ou", Greek "omicron+upsilon":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_back_rounded_vowel
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Sankon » Mon 22 Aug 2011, 10:11

Amāmus tē prō ista ligāmina. Eīs studēbō.
Thanks for those links. I will study them.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Darkgamma » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 19:38

Cōgitō cōgitō ergo cōgitō sum.
I think I think therefore I think I am

And that's all of my latin.
Svo hvernig get ég annað en glott á þig dauðlega?
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Sankon » Sun 16 Oct 2011, 19:59

Vive, filum! Colloquamurne nos?

Latinitatem vivat!

Darkgamma, scio sero, sed tamen dicam tuum "cogito cogito ergo cogito sum" falsum esse.

Esse "cogito cogitare ergo cogito esse" debet. Accusativus cum infinitivo.


Live, thread! Shall we talk?

Let the Latinity live on!

Darkgamma, I know it's late, but I will still say that you "cogito cogito ergo cogito sum" is wrong.

It should be "cogito cogitare ergo cogito esse". Accusative and Infinitive construction.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Ean » Fri 31 Aug 2012, 15:57

Credo melius fuisse uti vocativo ad dicendum "Live, thread!"
I think it would have been better to use the vocative to say "Live, thread!"

Vive, file!

Id vivere non puto.
It won't live I believe.

This is probably full of mistakes
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Lambuzhao » Fri 31 Aug 2012, 20:42

@ Ean -

Cur id putas? Qua re id credes?

Why d'you think that? Why do you believe it?

[ob iter] - Vivat Latinitas!
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Ean » Mon 03 Sep 2012, 14:35

Loqui latine multum difficile est et pauci homines possunt bene. Haec sunt causae ob quis hoc credebat. Nunc nescio.

Mihi, exempli gratia, scribere hoc difficilissime est. Sed amo hanc linguam.

Scripsi totum hoc superius* sine dictionario nec grammatica. Spero quia bene sit.


*("I wrote all that above...")
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Lambuzhao » Mon 03 Sep 2012, 15:26

I. Amor latinitatis vis optima est.
Love-NOM.SG latin-NMLZ.F.SG.GEN power-NOM.SG best-NOM.SG be-PRS.3SG
Love of Latin is the best motivation.
Corrolarium : Dignus et decorum est pro latinitate loqui!

II. In casu errorum, subscribe altera in lingua (communaliter anglicana).
In case of errors, write below in another language (commonly English).

III. Lingua scripta nonullam vitam habere oportet.
Language that’s written has to have some life to it.

IV. Aliquando difficillime :mrred: , aliquando facillime :mrgreen: loqui est.
Sometimes it’s really difficult, sometimes really easy to speak

V. Errare humanum est ignoscere divinum.

VI. Melius est ridere [xD] quam lugere [:'(] .
It’s better to have a good laugh about it than drown in tears of derailment.

Post Scriptum:
Placet mihi anteponere adiectiva velut hac in hora vel summa cum laude.
I like to put my ADJ before the PRP, like "hac in hora" or "summa cum laude".
{That's just my thing. I always got bonus points for it in Latin Composition Class [;)] }
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by ABC » Thu 01 Nov 2012, 18:30

Linguam Latinam amo, sed non usus id sum ab anno 2758 AUC. Latinitas mea simplex est.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Lambuzhao » Thu 01 Nov 2012, 21:42

ABC wrote:Linguam Latinam amo, sed non usus eo sum ab anno 2758 AUC. Latinitas mea simplex est.
uti + ablativum
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by ABC » Fri 02 Nov 2012, 16:13

Vocabularium meum stultum est - usum casuum non habet.
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Lambuzhao » Sat 03 Nov 2012, 20:33

ABC wrote:Vocabularium meum stultum est - usum casuum non habet.
Vocabularium tuum haud stultum est - usum casuum (et alia verba) nancīscēris! [;)]
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Re: Lingua Latina

Post by Egerius » Thu 03 Oct 2013, 20:14

Et Latinitas mea completa mente vulgara est. Paucum de Latina studebam in schola (de spetima ad decima clasa), et in illos tres annos ultimos legebam de Latina Vulgaris (aut, alii clamantur, "sermo vulgaris"). Vocabularium meum romanum est, grammatica Fredegarii aut Gregorii Turonensis papæ similis est (aut peiorem).
And my latinity is completely vulgar. I learned few Latin at school (from seventh to tenth grade) and in the last three years I read about Vulgar Latin (or, as called by others, "popular speech"). My vocabulary is Romance, the grammar is similar to that of Fredegarius or that of pope Gregor of Tours (or worse).

Sed scripta Latina pronunciare possum valde bonum (classico modo, si quæretis), non quo modo italiana, simile altiis.
But I can pronounce written Latin very good (the classic way, if you want), not like Italian, like others.
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