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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by Creyeditor » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 09:35

chridd wrote:
Linguifex (almost a year ago, I know) wrote:I would like to make the Index Unicode-compatible for ease of searching, but redoing the entire 300+-page document in XeTeX or XeLaTeX or whatever would take me a considerable amount of time. Therefore, I am asking for help.
I think I've figured out how to make a Unicode PDF without having to retyping the whole thing (PDF, TeX source (use with xelatex), though this is based on an old version of Index Diachronica since I don't have the TeX source for the most recent version). (Mostly it just involved changing around the \usepackage statements, and also \ipa in section headings needed to be changed, and also a font that has all the characters.)

I've also made a webpage where you can search for sound changes involving a specific sound (again based on an old version).
The webpage is what we all longed for in our dreams [:)]
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by gach » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 10:33

Indeed, good job well done. This makes answering a lot of questions easy. Updated content would of course be nice and the presentation can always be fine tuned (a somewhat better contrast for the font colour and giving more structure to the searchable IPA table would be nice), but these are all secondary issues.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by alynnidalar » Mon 11 Jul 2016, 19:05

That's amazing! Thanks for that, it'll be very helpful!

An additional (very tiny) suggestion: say which version of the ID it's using. I know you linked to it, but it'd be nice for a quick reference.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by chridd » Mon 11 Jul 2016, 21:50

gach wrote:a somewhat better contrast for the font colour
On your computer, does it look more like the left screenshot or the right screenshot (or neither)? (In other words, is the problem the colors I've actually chosen, or is the problem a browser compatibility issue?) (Spoilered for size)
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by gach » Mon 11 Jul 2016, 22:24

I see it like the left screenshot in both Firefox and Chromium. The light blue is easier with the orange text of the unopened links compared to the darker one (I see very little contrast between the links and the background on the top line "chridd » Conlangs » Searchable Index Diachronica") but the colour is still somewhat lightish on the light background. I find that this makes some of the characters with smaller diacritics difficult to recognise without taking a second look. Increasing the font size on the IPA should also help.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by chridd » Tue 12 Jul 2016, 00:26

Is it better now? Worse? (Some changes I made might require force-refresh.)
For colors, there's a color scheme chooser.

Does anyone have a newer version of the LaTeX file for Index Diachronica?
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by gach » Tue 12 Jul 2016, 16:11

chridd wrote:Is it better now? Worse? (Some changes I made might require force-refresh.)
The larger size helps readability but it also forces the cells in many case quite tall. But then again, many of the cells have a large number of cells anyway and should probably be split into smaller parts. For example length and no audible release could in my view be merged under the base consonants in the table and only be separated on the pages listing the sound changes. There are also some symbols associated with certain reconstructions (like the PIE palatals) that could be grouped under probably corresponding IPA to help with the crowding.

Or course, if it's just a tool occasionally used by a few people, you don't have to worry too much about getting the design just right.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by Creyeditor » Tue 12 Jul 2016, 16:15

chridd wrote:Is it better now? Worse? (Some changes I made might require force-refresh.)
For colors, there's a color scheme chooser.

Does anyone have a newer version of the LaTeX file for Index Diachronica?
The color scheme chooser really made it better for me.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by chridd » Tue 12 Jul 2016, 23:36

How's this for a more manageable IPA table?
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by gach » Wed 13 Jul 2016, 10:17

Top-notch.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by Linguifex » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 05:52

I am extremely honored—chridd made a searchable Index. I really, really love this. I want to say so many superlatives about it! I love it when people do stuff with the Index. Fantastic work, chridd!

If you'd like, I can get you the TeX file for the latest version.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: v.10.0 is out—IT'S PARTY TIME

Post by chridd » Thu 21 Jul 2016, 05:48

Linguifex wrote:If you'd like, I can get you the TeX file for the latest version.
Yes, that would be helpful.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDE

Post by Linguifex » Sat 23 Jul 2016, 03:26

Here you go. Note that I plan to update this to v.11.0 within the next week or so.
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Linguifex, do you consider to hire someone who knows database to make an online database of phonological changes where everyone can search for all known sound changes and the languages where the sound changes occur?
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k1234567890y wrote:Linguifex, do you consider to hire someone who knows database to make an online database of phonological changes where everyone can search for all known sound changes and the languages where the sound changes occur?
This thread is kindof a big deal! [:D]
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDE

Post by shimobaatar » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 17:48

When I click the link to the latest version of the Index, it redirects me to a page that just says that it's not there anymore, and that it might have been moved or made private. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Have I missed something?
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDE

Post by Linguifex » Sat 25 Mar 2017, 04:34

shimobaatar wrote:When I click the link to the latest version of the Index, it redirects me to a page that just says that it's not there anymore, and that it might have been moved or made private. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Have I missed something?
Dropbox, for some reason, changed all Public folders to Private. I'm going to have to find another solution. In the meantime chridd has the latest version up on his site.
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Post by shimobaatar » Sat 25 Mar 2017, 07:09

Linguifex wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:When I click the link to the latest version of the Index, it redirects me to a page that just says that it's not there anymore, and that it might have been moved or made private. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Have I missed something?
Dropbox, for some reason, changed all Public folders to Private. I'm going to have to find another solution. In the meantime chridd has the latest version up on his site.
Found it, thanks!
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Post by Creyeditor » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 17:15

I've got a question for Chridd. Could you expand the search function for categories (the things written as capital letters, like B=Back vowel)?
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDE

Post by gestaltist » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 09:47

Linguifex wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:When I click the link to the latest version of the Index, it redirects me to a page that just says that it's not there anymore, and that it might have been moved or made private. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Have I missed something?
Dropbox, for some reason, changed all Public folders to Private. I'm going to have to find another solution. In the meantime chridd has the latest version up on his site.
You can still share a link to the file, though.
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