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One third of the way through the decade

Post by Khemehekis » Fri 03 May 2013, 04:00

April 30, 2013 and May 1, 2013 marked the completion of the forst third of the decade (January 1, 2010 -- December 31, 2019). Now we shall end the early eleventies and enter the mid-eleventies!

At this juncture, what things to you believe the decade will be remembered for?
  • Occupy Wall Street
  • Carly Rae Jepsen
  • The revival of indie rock -- Gotye, Ellie Goulding, Fun., Grouplove, Imagine Dragons, and Of Monsters and Men
  • Bruno Mars
  • Wavy-looking, India-style clothing patterns
  • Widespread distrust in the government and cops
  • The realization of the LGBT rights dream
  • The first U.S. states to legalize recreational marijuana
What else?

At the end of December 31, 2009, my Kankonian dictionary had 21,145 words (the last being "skwezed", the word for jack (on a car)). At the end of April 30, 2013, it had 35,988. The most recent word is "vithevmuigakaldis", meaning lunchbucket worker (literally meat-and-concrete-ist).
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Re: One third of the way through the decade

Post by decem » Fri 03 May 2013, 11:55

Khemehekis wrote:April 30, 2013 and May 1, 2013 marked the completion of the forst third of the decade (January 1, 2010 -- December 31, 2019). Now we shall end the early eleventies and enter the mid-eleventies!

At this juncture, what things to you believe the decade will be remembered for?
  • Occupy Wall Street
  • Widespread distrust in the government and cops
  • The realization of the LGBT rights dream
^ Those ones that I left in the list. I reckon it will be remembered mostly for the financial crisis and the ongoing social and political unrest that it has left. Also revolutions like the Arab Spring and the ongoing Syrian civil war. Also the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course the now unpopular President Bush.

The LGBT rights "dream" hasn't really been achieved yet, but at least we can say there has been a definite start towards it. Of course for their rights to be equal globally we need to counter more important issues than gay marriage, such as the death penalty for LGBT citizens in certain Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries.

I also think this is a turning point in world politics generally, the people's frame of mind is slowly changing... for example the debate on guns and social healthcare in America... I don't know if this will happen in the non-Western world but I can see a much more left wing Western world emerging, and I hope that the American people can get over their grudge against communism and accept that social healthcare is a very good use of public money, and the lives of their children is more important than their amendments in the Constitution.
Khemehekis wrote:What else?

At the end of December 31, 2009, my Kankonian dictionary had 21,145 words (the last being "skwezed", the word for jack (on a car)). At the end of April 30, 2013, it had 35,988. The most recent word is "vithevmuigakaldis", meaning lunchbucket worker (literally meat-and-concrete-ist).
Congratulations! That's really amazing, how long have you been building the lexicon?
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Post by Ànradh » Fri 03 May 2013, 21:07

Can't forget the Boston bombing, horse meat in the UK's beef and the BBC presenter paedophile ring.
There's also the death of Slayer's guitarist, and of the Father of Death Metal himself, not to mention SliPKnoT's Paul Gray among others.
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Re: One third of the way through the decade

Post by Khemehekis » Sun 05 May 2013, 00:35

decemarietis wrote:Those ones that I left in the list. I reckon it will be remembered mostly for the financial crisis and the ongoing social and political unrest that it has left. Also revolutions like the Arab Spring and the ongoing Syrian civil war. Also the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course the now unpopular President Bush.
This decade will DEFINITELY be remembered for Arab Spring. People will talk about the Great Recession, but that like the Afghan and Iraqi wars will be split between the 2000's and the 2010's (much as we think about the Vietnam War for both the 60's and the 70's). Although President Bush is no doubt an icon of authoritarianism of the new millennium, I didn't include him in my list because he was only president in the previous decade.
The LGBT rights "dream" hasn't really been achieved yet, but at least we can say there has been a definite start towards it. Of course for their rights to be equal globally we need to counter more important issues than gay marriage, such as the death penalty for LGBT citizens in certain Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries.
I was mainly thinking of "modern" countries (Europe, the Anglosphere, Latin America, the tiger economies of East Asia, and Israel, with possibly the people but not government of Iran included) when I thought up this thread, but we can think about countries like Uganda too. I imagine the international pressure to believe "Gay is OK" could get the UN to push against executing gay people or having sodomy laws by the end of this decade, and perhaps only a short list will still have such laws by January 1, 2020.

Oh! And another thing to include on the list: acts like CISPA and SOPA. The decade could perhaps even be summed up as: "The decade of The People versus Corporations".
I also think this is a turning point in world politics generally, the people's frame of mind is slowly changing... for example the debate on guns and social healthcare in America... I don't know if this will happen in the non-Western world but I can see a much more left wing Western world emerging, and I hope that the American people can get over their grudge against communism and accept that social healthcare is a very good use of public money, and the lives of their children is more important than their amendments in the Constitution.
My generation never had any meaningful indoctrination in "Communism is bad". We may have heard people use the word "Communism" negatively, but we were too young to learn what Communism actually was at the time, and by the time the Soviet Union fell, there was no superpower that was a Communist threat anymore. Meanwhile those of my generation who live in the United States have seen many of the failings of capitalism at home. Of all the generations under 100, "Generatuon Y" polls as the only generation of Americans that prefers socialism to capitalism.
Khemehekis wrote: At the end of December 31, 2009, my Kankonian dictionary had 21,145 words (the last being "skwezed", the word for jack (on a car)). At the end of April 30, 2013, it had 35,988. The most recent word is "vithevmuigakaldis", meaning lunchbucket worker (literally meat-and-concrete-ist).
Congratulations! That's really amazing, how long have you been building the lexicon?
Thanks. The whole Kankonia thing began in 1994. In 1996, I decided I wanted to start documenting the language. By 1998, I got up to 5,000 words, published the grammar and dictionary (with a short page about the culture online), and decided I was finished.

Then in 2003, I decided I wanted to document the language some more. In 2004, I began a spreadsheet file of new Kankonian words. The lexicon septupled in size, and the grammar swelled from a mere 7 pages to 78 pages. That's where I am today, at least.
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Re: One third of the way through the decade

Post by Salmoneus » Fri 18 Oct 2013, 21:50

Khemehekis wrote:April 30, 2013 and May 1, 2013 marked the completion of the forst third of the decade (January 1, 2010 -- December 31, 2019). Now we shall end the early eleventies and enter the mid-eleventies!

At this juncture, what things to you believe the decade will be remembered for?
Note: I'm not American.
[*]Occupy Wall Street
Some minor protests that achieved nothing. These won't be remembered as anything more than a footnote, I don't think. In the UK context, for instance, when I think back to the 'massive' popular-political events ten years ago - the Fuel Protests, the Anti-War Protests, the Countryside Alliance - I don't think they loom large in people's minds (the anti-war demonstrations a little more, but more because of their continuing salience than for thei historical significance). And those from ten years before that? You'd have to be a political historian to have heard of them.

[*]Carly Rae Jepsen
I don't know who he is
[*]The revival of indie rock -- Gotye, Ellie Goulding, Fun., Grouplove, Imagine Dragons, and Of Monsters and Men
I don't know who these people are - I think I've heard of Gotye, but that's it. I don't know what 'indie rock' is exactly meant to be (it always seems the same as non-indie rock to me), but I do know that people have been telling me that we're in an indie rock revival since the late nineties.
In terms of history, most pop music from most eras has already largely been forgotten. You end up with just a couple of performers/bands, plus a sprinkling of other 'hits' that people don't really know about the performers of.
It's like a guy in 1963 saying that the sixties would be remembered for Steve Lawrence, The Rooftop Singers, The Chiffons, Jan and Dean, and Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs (all of whom had multi-week #1 hits in the US that year).
[*]Bruno Mars
I've heard of him! I don't think I've heard any of his music, though
[*]Wavy-looking, India-style clothing patterns
That sounds interesting, although I'm not sure how 'wavy-looking' and 'india-style' can go together. In any case, I haven't seen these
[*]Widespread distrust in the government and cops
Doesn't seem to be a lot of that around. Some, sure, but there's always some - wouldn't compare it to the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, or 2000s in that regard, though.
[*]The realization of the LGBT rights dream
If that happens, you mean? Sure, this decade will be remembered as a good decade in that regard, but hardly a pivotal one. Gay rights have been improving for decades, and still have some years to go.
Here's some other decades of gay rights in the USA:
- the fifties - homosexual content was no longer considered automatically obscene, and could be bought and sold and transmitted by mail
- the eighties - firing teachers for being gay became illegal, and so did prohibiting pro-homosexual student groups
- the 2000s - right to gay sex recognised, sodomy laws struck down
Sure, USA vs Windsor is all very nice, but it's nowhere near as significant as Lawrence vs Texas!
In the UK, the first pivotal time was the fifties, when the Church and the Government both began to say (against public opinion) that homosexuality was not a mental illness and should not be illegal. In the sixties, gay sex was legalised in private homes, provided no third person was in the same building. And then the big wave came from the late nineties onward - equalised age of consent, gay adoption, civil partnerships, etc.
[*]The first U.S. states to legalize recreational marijuana
Maybe. Depends what happens next. If it's repealed, it'll mostly be forgotten. And if it stays limited to the current states, it'll just be the subject of a couple of jokes now and then about Colorado, the same way we joke about the Dutch.
If, on the other hand, this turns out to be the vanguard of a wave of drugs legalisation, then it will be remembered.

What else?
In the UK, I think the '11 riots and the '12 olympics will be vaguely recalled for a while.

Worth bearing in mind, though, that in many cases the "decades" we remember don't start until quite a few years in. I've seen suggestions that the eighties began in '83 and the sixties in '65, for instance.

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I don't know what that means.
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Post by kanejam » Sat 19 Oct 2013, 05:29

Are those bands really indie rock? They're pretty marginally indie and in no way rock, unless indie rock has a weird meaning. It's more like indie pop if that's a thing and not a contradiction in terms. And I'm not sure if they'll really be memorable.

I don't know why one clothing style would be memorable, especially as it's only one of quite a few that are popular at the moment? If anything fashionwise this part of the decade was the rise of the hipsters.

I agree that Arab Spring will be remembered, but I can't think what else.
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Post by Salmoneus » Sat 19 Oct 2013, 12:14

Probably the Great Recession - I know the worst of it was in the previous decade, but I'm guessing that because the effects have been lingering people will probably include it in 'the 2010s'.
The US government shutdown, and more generally the Tea Party shenanigans.

I can't imagine the boston bombing being remembered for long, certainly not as one of the key events of the decades. I mean, people don't really remember all the far larger terrorist stuff from previous decades.
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Post by Egerius » Sat 19 Oct 2013, 12:48

October 5, 2011 - The death of Steve Jobs marks a break in history - and a point of no return for Apple, Inc. [:'(]
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Post by Salmoneus » Sat 19 Oct 2013, 17:40

Yeah, the same way we all remember 1984 as the year that Commodore peaked. Wait, no, we don't.
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Egerius wrote:October 5, 2011 - The death of Steve Jobs marks a break in history - and a point of no return for Apple, Inc. [:'(]
Well I didn't like Steve Jobs and I don't like Macs so that won't be particularly memorable for me.
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Post by Egerius » Sun 20 Oct 2013, 09:32

kanejam wrote:Well I didn't like Steve Jobs and I don't like Macs so that won't be particularly memorable for me.
*Whispers:* I'd reccomend hating Timmothy Cook...

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I hate to break it to you lot, but there are 205 countries in the world that are not murrica and don't really know nor care what murricans do.
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Fanael wrote:I hate to break it to you lot, but there are 205 countries in the world that are not murrica
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Post by Egerius » Sun 20 Oct 2013, 11:35

Jack Tramiel wasn't really American, but Polish (born in 1928 in Lódź, survived the Holocaust, founded CBM in 1954 after emigrating to the US). And I'm also not American. I just like non-PCs a lot.

Right, Hugo Chávez died somewhere down the line, Duchess Catherine and Prince Harry married and got a son... various German politicians were busted for fraud/copy and paste in ther doctorate dissertations...
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Post by Xonen » Sun 20 Oct 2013, 13:50

Fanael wrote:I hate to break it to you lot, but there are 205 countries in the world that are not murrica
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and don't really know nor care what murricans do.
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But yeah, it's true that just because something or someone creates some media buzz in the States for a few weeks or even months, it doesn't necessarily have to mean people elsewhere will have even heard of it, much less remember it twenty years from now.
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Post by Ànradh » Sun 20 Oct 2013, 14:34

Shall we simply say that nothing that happened this decade will be remembered and move on then?
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Post by Fanael » Sun 20 Oct 2013, 14:59

Xonen wrote:
and don't really know nor care what murricans do.
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But yeah, it's true that just because something or someone creates some media buzz in the States for a few weeks or even months, it doesn't necessarily have to mean people elsewhere will have even heard of it, much less remember it twenty years from now.
So, uhhhh… you disagree, but you agree?
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Fanael wrote:
Xonen wrote:
and don't really know nor care what murricans do.
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But yeah, it's true that just because something or someone creates some media buzz in the States for a few weeks or even months, it doesn't necessarily have to mean people elsewhere will have even heard of it, much less remember it twenty years from now.
So, uhhhh… you disagree, but you agree?
Well... yes. I'm fairly sure most countries pay more attention to what's going on in the US than they do to most other countries; like it or not, we just can't afford to not know or care about what for the time being is still the world's leading superpower. However, we certainly don't care about everything that goes on there. Only the important stuff that can have far-reaching consequences, such as economy, foreign policy and yesterday's episode of Jersey Shore. :roll:
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[*]Occupy Wall Street
Some minor protests that achieved nothing. These won't be remembered as anything more than a footnote, I don't think. In the UK context, for instance, when I think back to the 'massive' popular-political events ten years ago - the Fuel Protests, the Anti-War Protests, the Countryside Alliance - I don't think they loom large in people's minds (the anti-war demonstrations a little more, but more because of their continuing salience than for thei historical significance). And those from ten years before that? You'd have to be a political historian to have heard of them.
Time made The Protestor (with references to OWS and Arab Spring) the Person of the Year in 2011, so I wouldn't call them minor and they seem to be strongly associated with the decade. In the U.S., we still remember the protests against the invasion of Iraq from the previous decade, the Battle of Seattle and Rodney King L.A. race riots from the nineties, and the Vietnam protests from the sixties and seventies. And of course, people everywhere remember China's Tiananmen Square when they think of the eighties.
[*]Carly Rae Jepsen
I don't know who he is
Apparently the name Carly is not in use in the U.K. Carly is a girl's name in North America.

Carly Rae Jepsen put out a ubiquitous single called "Call Me Maybe" in 2012. Then she teamed up with a boy named Adam Young who had a one-man project called Owl City (who previously had had a hit with "Fireflies") who do a song called "Good Time".

Call Me Maybe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNaR-rxAic
[*]The revival of indie rock -- Gotye, Ellie Goulding, Fun., Grouplove, Imagine Dragons, and Of Monsters and Men
I don't know who these people are - I think I've heard of Gotye, but that's it. I don't know what 'indie rock' is exactly meant to be (it always seems the same as non-indie rock to me), but I do know that people have been telling me that we're in an indie rock revival since the late nineties.
Gotye is Australian (of Belgian birth), Ellie Goulding is British, Fun. are from New York, I think Grouplove and Imagine Dragons are American but I'm not 100% sure, and Of Monsters and Men are Icelandic.

Gotye's biggest hit so far has been "Somebody that I Used to Know": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY

Ellie Goulding does such songs as "Lights": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NKUpo_xKyQ (It was remade by dubstep band Bassnectar too.)

Fun. first became popular with a song callef "We Are Young": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6dMFF_yts

Grouplove aren't played on the vast majority of radio stations across the U.S. like the other groups I mentioned, but they became popular at the same time as the others. Their biggest hit is "Tongue-tied" (not a remake of the Eve 6 song by the same name): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1wjGKHjBI

Imagine Dragons do such songs as "Demons": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRsgZuwf_8

And Of Monsters and Men do folsky Scandinavian stuff like "Little Talks": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghb6eDopW8I

The late nineties and tenties weren't very indie-ish by comparison. I think what happened is radio rock (and pop-rock) became so clogged up with bland crap like Daughtry, the Calling, Rascal Flatts, Three Doors Down, and Five for Fighting in the tenties (the 2000-2009 decade) because record company execs weren't willing to take chances, that non-indie rock finally imploded on itself and the really good stuff that mainstream record companies were afraid of became the only new acts left to buy . . . and since it was good, people liked it. (Of course, non-indie rock acts that had been around for some time like Green Day, Coldplay, U2, Linkin Park and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were time-tested classics and continued to be popular.)
In terms of history, most pop music from most eras has already largely been forgotten. You end up with just a couple of performers/bands, plus a sprinkling of other 'hits' that people don't really know about the performers of.
From the sixties, people remember the Beatles, the Beach Boys, the Rolling Stones, Jan and Dean, the Temptations, the Supremes, the Association, the Grateful Dead, the Doors, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix (death seems to be a great publicity stunt), Jefferson Airplane, the Dave Clark 5, the Monkees (even though people widely consider them talentless), the Mamas and the Papas, and a number of others; more than a couple. By "a sprinkling of other 'hits' that people don't really know about the performers of", are you referring to songs like "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" (no one knows much about one-hit wonder the Tokens)?
It's like a guy in 1963 saying that the sixties would be remembered for Steve Lawrence, The Rooftop Singers, The Chiffons, Jan and Dean, and Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs (all of whom had multi-week #1 hits in the US that year).
I don't know who Steve Lawrence is. The Rooftop Singers are included in some sixties retro/memorabilia collections as their "Walk Right In" is considered an iconic example of a folk song (I believe Forrest Gump may have sampled the song?), the Chiffons (I know who they are -- they did "He's So Fine") are remembered when people think of girl groups (an important part of sixties pop music), Jan and Dean often come to think after people think of the sixties and think of the Beach Boys (they did "Lottle Old Lady from Pasadena"), and Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs (I'm not sure but I think they did "Sigar Shack"?) are of course not very well remembered.
[*]Bruno Mars
I've heard of him! I don't think I've heard any of his music, though
So far, he's put out "Just the Way You Are" (not a remake of the Billy Joel song, BTW), "Grenade", "It Will Rain", "Locked Out of Heaven", "The Lazy Song", "When I Was Your Man" and probably some others I can't quite recall at this moment.
[*]Wavy-looking, India-style clothing patterns
That sounds interesting, although I'm not sure how 'wavy-looking' and 'india-style' can go together. In any case, I haven't seen these
Wish I had a camera so I could take a picture next time I see one of these at a clothing store.
[*]Widespread distrust in the government and cops
Doesn't seem to be a lot of that around. Some, sure, but there's always some - wouldn't compare it to the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, or 2000s in that regard, though.
Oh, there definitely is (if anything, even more, as it's not mostly confined to African-Americans and young people anymore). Check out this thread on the Fourth Turning board:

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/show ... -Saeculums

[*]The realization of the LGBT rights dream
If that happens, you mean? Sure, this decade will be remembered as a good decade in that regard, but hardly a pivotal one. Gay rights have been improving for decades, and still have some years to go.
Here's some other decades of gay rights in the USA:
- the fifties - homosexual content was no longer considered automatically obscene, and could be bought and sold and transmitted by mail
- the eighties - firing teachers for being gay became illegal, and so did prohibiting pro-homosexual student groups
- the 2000s - right to gay sex recognised, sodomy laws struck down
Sure, USA vs Windsor is all very nice, but it's nowhere near as significant as Lawrence vs Texas!
In the UK, the first pivotal time was the fifties, when the Church and the Government both began to say (against public opinion) that homosexuality was not a mental illness and should not be illegal. In the sixties, gay sex was legalised in private homes, provided no third person was in the same building. And then the big wave came from the late nineties onward - equalised age of consent, gay adoption, civil partnerships, etc.
Well, this decade was the tipping point for gay marriage in the U.S. (and public sentiment on the issue -- for the first time, 50.1% of Americns over 18 came out in favor of gay marriage), and it's likely all 50 states will have gay marriage before it's over. I don't have a crystal ball, though, and this is just what I think the eleventies will be remembered for.

Also, England and Wales legalized gay marriage too this decade.
[*]The first U.S. states to legalize recreational marijuana
Maybe. Depends what happens next. If it's repealed, it'll mostly be forgotten. And if it stays limited to the current states, it'll just be the subject of a couple of jokes now and then about Colorado, the same way we joke about the Dutch.
If, on the other hand, this turns out to be the vanguard of a wave of drugs legalisation, then it will be remembered.
Since I posted this, two more states plus Washington, D.C. have legalized it. The wave seems to be growing . . .

Worth bearing in mind, though, that in many cases the "decades" we remember don't start until quite a few years in. I've seen suggestions that the eighties began in '83 and the sixties in '65, for instance.
I've read this too. I think the sixties began in 1964 (in the U.S. at least), with the Vietnam War, the Beatles appearing on Ed Sullivan, etc. I would begin the nineties with the Berlin Wall and the tenties with George W. Bush stealing an election and ending up president thanks to dimpled chads, Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush.
At the end of December 31, 2009, my Kankonian dictionary had 21,145 words (the last being "skwezed", the word for jack (on a car)). At the end of April 30, 2013, it had 35,988. The most recent word is "vithevmuigakaldis", meaning lunchbucket worker
I don't know what that means.
"Lunchbucket worker" is an English term for a (usually socially conservative, pro-union) blue-collar working-class worker, typically bringing his peanut butter & jelly sandwich to the construction site in a bucket instead of a brown bag.

At the end of 2014, halfway through the decade, my Kankonian dictionary had 45,729 words, the most recent being uwalskekea, or "whipping post". It comes from uwals, to whip, and kekea, easel.

It looks as if musically this decade will be associated with EDM (much as the previous decade was), indie rock, and YouTube stars like Justin Bieber and Psy.
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels

My Kankonian-English dictionary: 55,000 words and counting

31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
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Re: One third of the way through the decade

Post by Prinsessa » Sat 03 Jan 2015, 12:43

I seem to be finding a lot more young vegans lately. That's good progress.

Also Nazis are mainstream politicians in Sweden and supposedly other European countries again.
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