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Post by Dormouse559 » Tue 04 Sep 2018, 21:59

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
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How does one make one of those code things with the green monospace font?
The way to do it is type something up in Notepad using a monospace font (like Courier New). Then copy the text from Notepad into the "code" brackets (press the button to the right of the "quote" button in the text editor).
This, pretty much. Just one thing: Notepad isn't a necessity; you can use the text editor of your choice, as long as you've got a monospace font.
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Tue 04 Sep 2018, 22:14

Yeah, I guess I never tried it with a different editor. I will say that I've never gotten it to work on Mac, no matter what editor I use. Only seems to work with Windows for me.
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Post by this_is_an_account » Wed 05 Sep 2018, 01:13

Dormouse559 wrote:
Tue 04 Sep 2018, 21:59
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
Tue 04 Sep 2018, 21:15
this_is_an_account wrote:
Tue 04 Sep 2018, 20:56
How does one make one of those code things with the green monospace font?
The way to do it is type something up in Notepad using a monospace font (like Courier New). Then copy the text from Notepad into the "code" brackets (press the button to the right of the "quote" button in the text editor).
This, pretty much. Just one thing: Notepad isn't a necessity; you can use the text editor of your choice, as long as you've got a monospace font.

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Looks like just typing it in here works fine
Edit: Wait nvm I misunderstood you
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Post by Dormouse559 » Wed 05 Sep 2018, 14:51

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
Tue 04 Sep 2018, 22:14
Yeah, I guess I never tried it with a different editor. I will say that I've never gotten it to work on Mac, no matter what editor I use. Only seems to work with Windows for me.
Hmm, I've written all my code tables in Mac Pages, and they've always worked fine for me.

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Wed 05 Sep 2018, 01:13
Looks like just typing it in here works fine
Edit: Wait nvm I misunderstood you
Ah, yeah. I should have said "word processor", not "text editor".
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Wed 05 Sep 2018, 17:00

Dormouse559 wrote:
Wed 05 Sep 2018, 14:51
Hmm, I've written all my code tables in Mac Pages, and they've always worked fine for me.
Really? Well I just tried again. Here's Pages:

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CASE		SINGULAR		DUAL			PLURAL
NOM		léhēn			léhenē		léhenes
GEN		lhnés			lhnéyaus		lhnān
And with Notepad on Windows:

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CASE	SINGULAR	DUAL		PLURAL
NOM	léhen		léhenē		léhenes
GEN	lhnés		lhnéyaus	lhnān
Both using Courier New Size 12. Never works quite right on the Mac for me [:(] It's a 2017 13" MacBook Pro. Not sure if that makes a difference.
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Post by Dormouse559 » Wed 05 Sep 2018, 18:31

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
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Really? Well I just tried again. Here's Pages:
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Both using Courier New Size 12. Never works quite right on the Mac for me [:(] It's a 2017 13" MacBook Pro. Not sure if that makes a difference.
I see the issue. You're using tabs, which will vary from program to program. Spaces are more universal because they will always be the same width as a character.
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Wed 05 Sep 2018, 19:21

Cool thanks [:D]

Test with TextEditor:

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CASE     SINGULAR    DUAL      PLURAL
NOM      léhēn       léhenē    léhenes
GEN      lhnés       lhnéyaus  lhnān
Yay. I honestly much prefer to use Mac, so it always bugs me when something works better on Windows than on Mac.
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Post by fruityloops » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 19:21

I don't know if this belongs here but I wanna ask, in my world, the main races are mainly humanoid arthropods of different kinds and a few of them can produce silk. what impact would this have on society?
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Post by elemtilas » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 20:52

fruityloops wrote:
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I don't know if this belongs here but I wanna ask, in my world, the main races are mainly humanoid arthropods of different kinds and a few of them can produce silk. what impact would this have on society?
Well, you mentioned the obvious in your world's thread: slavery. What the nature of this slavery ends up being, will I think be an interesting bit of research for you. I.e., how might an insectoid-like humanoid-like culture approach that as a means of engaging in economic development.

Otherwise, like with human culture, silk would simply provide yet another material from which to craft articles made from cloth. If they're like Men, they will discover that cloth has practical value in the form of clothing. If they're like the Daine, they'll discover that cloth has amazing decorative properties that far outweigh any mere utilitarian considerations.

Silk, being the domain of silk producing people, they may come to the realisation that their cloth is, generally speaking, quite rare. And thus other people will pay dearly for it. And thus set themselves up as a mercantile empire: sole producers, weavers and crafters of silk articles. This could lead other, non-silk producing peoples to try and steal away silk-moth people to enslave them and thus set themselves up in competition.

A question to consider: since silk is a natural production of these people's bodies, would they consider it kind of icky to wear a silk garment (in the way a human might feel kind of viscerally adverse to wearing gloves made from human skin or a scarf made from hair stolen from other people?
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Post by fruityloops » Tue 18 Sep 2018, 22:17

elemtilas wrote:
Tue 18 Sep 2018, 20:52
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Tue 18 Sep 2018, 19:21
I don't know if this belongs here but I wanna ask, in my world, the main races are mainly humanoid arthropods of different kinds and a few of them can produce silk. what impact would this have on society?
Well, you mentioned the obvious in your world's thread: slavery. What the nature of this slavery ends up being, will I think be an interesting bit of research for you. I.e., how might an insectoid-like humanoid-like culture approach that as a means of engaging in economic development.

Otherwise, like with human culture, silk would simply provide yet another material from which to craft articles made from cloth. If they're like Men, they will discover that cloth has practical value in the form of clothing. If they're like the Daine, they'll discover that cloth has amazing decorative properties that far outweigh any mere utilitarian considerations.

Silk, being the domain of silk producing people, they may come to the realisation that their cloth is, generally speaking, quite rare. And thus other people will pay dearly for it. And thus set themselves up as a mercantile empire: sole producers, weavers and crafters of silk articles. This could lead other, non-silk producing peoples to try and steal away silk-moth people to enslave them and thus set themselves up in competition.

A question to consider: since silk is a natural production of these people's bodies, would they consider it kind of icky to wear a silk garment (in the way a human might feel kind of viscerally adverse to wearing gloves made from human skin or a scarf made from hair stolen from other people?

my moths prefer to wear silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik.
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Post by WeepingElf » Sat 22 Sep 2018, 17:51

fruityloops wrote:
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my moths prefer to wear silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik.
Which makes perfect sense. Who wears shoes made of human leather?
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Post by Dormouse559 » Sat 22 Sep 2018, 18:13

WeepingElf wrote:
Sat 22 Sep 2018, 17:51
fruityloops wrote:
Tue 18 Sep 2018, 22:17
my moths prefer to wear silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik.
Which makes perfect sense. Who wears shoes made of human leather?
And it's not as if anyone puts another person's hair on their head … Wait.

But seriously, aren't human-hair wigs a better analog for silk than human skin?
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Post by egency » Sat 22 Sep 2018, 22:39

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Yay. I honestly much prefer to use Mac, so it always bugs me when something works better on Windows than on Mac.
The issue isn't actually the Mac at all, it's the tabs. Coders fight holy wars over tabs all the time because the size of a tab is dependent on a value called the "tab stop" (this is a hold-over from typewriters where there was a literal stop mechanism for tabs). What happens though is that nobody seem to agree on how big a tab stop really is. It's fairly common to make it equal to eight spaces, some people prefer four, I personally use two. This means that if you insert a single tab it can create anything from two to eight spaces and thus if you try to align text using tabs... Yeah, holy wars ensue.

This becomes even more problematic with proportional fonts since now a "space" isn't a fixed size either (nor is anything else for that matter), so all possibility of aligning anything has been messed up.

So if you want consistent aligning (ignoring the issue of proportional fonts) use spaces and avoid tabs. This is pretty much the best one can get without a huge amount of trouble to create custom solutions.
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Post by WeepingElf » Sat 22 Sep 2018, 22:53

Dormouse559 wrote:
Sat 22 Sep 2018, 18:13
WeepingElf wrote:
Sat 22 Sep 2018, 17:51
fruityloops wrote:
Tue 18 Sep 2018, 22:17
my moths prefer to wear silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik.
Which makes perfect sense. Who wears shoes made of human leather?
And it's not as if anyone puts another person's hair on their head … Wait.

But seriously, aren't human-hair wigs a better analog for silk than human skin?
True; but AFAIK the process of obtaining silk kills the larva in the cocoon, while human hair can be harvested without harming the person on whose head it grows.
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Post by Dormouse559 » Sat 22 Sep 2018, 23:03

WeepingElf wrote:
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True; but AFAIK the process of obtaining silk kills the larva in the cocoon, while human hair can be harvested without harming the person on whose head it grows.
Also true, for real silk worms. But if that's also the case of fruityloops' arthropods, it seems their tolerance for killing is higher than I've assumed; fruityloops hasn't mentioned it as a factor in views of the silk.
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Post by elemtilas » Sun 23 Sep 2018, 01:38

WeepingElf wrote:
Sat 22 Sep 2018, 17:51
fruityloops wrote:
Tue 18 Sep 2018, 22:17
my moths prefer to wear silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik.
Which makes perfect sense. Who wears shoes made of human leather?
Well, Dr. John Osborne, for one.
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Post by elemtilas » Sun 23 Sep 2018, 01:40

Dormouse559 wrote:
Sat 22 Sep 2018, 23:03
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True; but AFAIK the process of obtaining silk kills the larva in the cocoon, while human hair can be harvested without harming the person on whose head it grows.
Also true, for real silk worms. But if that's also the case of fruityloops' arthropods, it seems their tolerance for killing is higher than I've assumed; fruityloops hasn't mentioned it as a factor in views of the silk.
Well, Mothfolk in question apparently have no problem "... wear(ing) silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik."
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Post by Dormouse559 » Sun 23 Sep 2018, 21:29

elemtilas wrote:
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Well, Mothfolk in question apparently have no problem "... wear(ing) silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik."
Then you see my point. Either wearing the silk of your dead speciesmates only rises to the level of “rude” for the moths (possible, just probably an important detail to include in a question for people who otherwise know nothing about your conworld) or there is less killing involved than real-world silk harvesting would imply.
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Dormouse559 wrote:
Sun 23 Sep 2018, 21:29
elemtilas wrote:
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Well, Mothfolk in question apparently have no problem "... wear(ing) silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik."
Then you see my point. Either wearing the silk of your dead speciesmates only rises to the level of “rude” for the moths (possible, just probably an important detail to include in a question for people who otherwise know nothing about your conworld) or there is less killing involved than real-world silk harvesting would imply.
Considering how Caddisflies often weave in "junk" from their surroundings into their cocoons, I would imagine some Mothfolk would readily sew in patches of other kinds' silken swatches with no thought at all except "Oooooh, look at my coat of many colors!"

Mothchicks dig coats of many colors (and textures!) [;)]

Looks up caddisly larvae cocoons on Google Images. Is blown away at artist Hubert Duprat's experiments with caddisly larvae making their cocoons with flecks of gold dust, tiny freshwater pearls, and gem shardlets. [O.O] Wow. Just Wow. :mrgreen: :!:

Of course, Caddisflies are something along the lines of 'Neandermothfolk', but mothfolk still!
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Post by Lambuzhao » Sun 23 Sep 2018, 22:37

WeepingElf wrote:
Sat 22 Sep 2018, 17:51
fruityloops wrote:
Tue 18 Sep 2018, 22:17
my moths prefer to wear silk from other races than their own. they find it rude to wear your slik.
Which makes perfect sense. Who wears shoes made of human leather?
Apart from the atrocities of Nazi human skin lampshades, serial killer human skin 'costumes', and Native American scalp trophies, who knows WHAT the earliest Paleolithic (or earlier) humans might have done with the skins of other tribefolk during the hundreds of thousands of years of unrecorded history??? :wat: Perhaps not shoes, b/c human skin isn't thick enough for that, but otherwise, who knows??? [O.o]

https://www.skybound.com/the-walking-de ... t-history/

Pretty grisly, but no more grisly than cannibalism, and there are still folks who practice it/accept it in their culture today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cannibalism

But I think I'm straying really far from the initial thrust of this thread's thought-path.
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