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Post by Shemtov » Thu 14 Jan 2016, 00:39

Awesomely Ridiculous and Ridiculously Awesome:
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Re: Metal Thread

Post by Chagen » Thu 14 Jan 2016, 00:48

Xonen wrote: What the hell, man? I was just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. [>_<] But apparently you do mean to make insulting generalizations about metal fans, and even after you've been specifically asked to stop (not to mention despite the fact that insulting generalizations about groups of people are against board rules in general). So thanks for proving me wrong, I guess.

And BTW, /r/metal ≠ "Metal's fanbase". For fuck's sake. :roll:
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I'm not seeing any elitism in that reddit. But I do see a certain Vadara's rude behaviour...
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Post by sangi39 » Thu 14 Jan 2016, 17:43

Shemtov wrote:Awesomely Ridiculous and Ridiculously Awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKyNTwD3Yk
One of my favourites from Alestorm [:)]

And they're pretty good live as well. Saw them in 2008 when they were supporting Turisas at Corporation in Sheffield and they were really good. Definitely set the mood for a good time. Considering I hadn't heard them at all before that point, I was a little bit hooked after that [:)]
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Re: Metal Thread

Post by Xonen » Fri 15 Jan 2016, 12:45

Chagen wrote:
Xonen wrote: What the hell, man? I was just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. [>_<] But apparently you do mean to make insulting generalizations about metal fans, and even after you've been specifically asked to stop (not to mention despite the fact that insulting generalizations about groups of people are against board rules in general). So thanks for proving me wrong, I guess.

And BTW, /r/metal ≠ "Metal's fanbase". For fuck's sake. :roll:
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No, "we guys" didn't. :roll: As has been pointed out several times in this thread already, none of us here are involved in your petty little tribal war, and we don't appreciate being lumped together with people who are. So wage it somewhere else.
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Re: Metal Thread

Post by Xonen » Tue 19 Jan 2016, 22:37

sangi39 wrote:Since bad things happen in threes, Eddie Van Halen could be next.
Turns out it was Glenn Frey, then. [:S] Granted, it wasn't immediately after his birthday, but still. Lemmy seems to have launched some kind of mass exodus of talented artists from the planet.
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Xonen wrote:
sangi39 wrote:Since bad things happen in threes, Eddie Van Halen could be next.
Turns out it was Glenn Frey, then. [:S] Granted, it wasn't immediately after his birthday, but still. Lemmy seems to have launched some kind of mass exodus of talented artists from the planet.
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Post by sangi39 » Sat 20 Feb 2016, 19:15

I saw Týr last night, and it was awesome.

First support band was Aloeswood. A black/doom metal band, I liked them, but they didn't really have much of a stage presence, and they really get much of a reaction from the crowd.

Second support band, a Celtic Folk Metal band called Darkest Era, was much better. Again, liked them, but they got a much bigger, more positive reaction from the crowd, and were a lot more lively on stage. When they engaged with the audience, it seemed pretty genuine, "we're having fun! Are you having fun?!" that sort of thing. Aloeswood's attempts at engaging seemed quite forced, like they saw the lack of reaction and tried really hard to get something out of the audience.

Týr, though? Oh my god, Týr! Straight off with Stýrisvølurin, which was amazing. I was really worried they'd stick to just their English stuff, but then they did that. And the audience joined in. I've never been happier to be surrounded by a group of people who were all more or less English people, singing along to a song sung in a language most of them probably couldn't understand beyond those lyrics. They engaged really well, the audience throughout the entire venue joined in and they were probably one of the best live acts I've seen so far.



I'm going to go see Korpiklaani in 9 weeks time in a similar-sized venue (I think), and with the support band being Moonsorrow, I'm expecting the crowd to be more active for much longer.



(crowd response probably has a lot to do with familiarity and preference. Aloeswood is an unsigned fairly local band from Hull and play a completely different genre. Darkest Era are more familiar, genre-wise, but still not the band everyone came to see, and obviously everyone was there to see Týr)
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Re: Metal Thread

Post by Chagen » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 22:24

I never expected this, but the punkier/thrashier side of Black Metal is...actually pretty good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTAiuHOHU-U
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I just wish Black Metal wasn't so hung-up and entwined in its ridiculous edgy-teenage-misanthropist ideology. And you know, the whole Nazi thing.

In other news I am listening to a lot more Djent. Fell in love with Periphery's Periphery II and Nostalgia by Corelia was pretty good on the first listen. Love the solos, which were a lot more "shreddy" than I expected (but I love those kinds of solos so it's all good).

In terms of "real" Metal, my tastes would lie more in Thrash, Prog, and perhaps some Doom (I've heard a few good Doom songs). I don't really like Death Metal or any of its subgenres: I dislike the incomprehensible vocals (I like harsh vocals, but I better be able to understand them with the lyrics sheet besides me) and emphasis on a dark and demonic atmosphere. The instruments are often good, though. Tech Death is just endless wankery without any actual compositional talent; Brutal Death Metal is everything I don't like about DM cranked up to eleven and is so over-the-top it just comes off as immature; Deathcore is Metalcore with all stuff I don't like about Death Metal tacked on (and eighty shitty breakdowns a song).

Grindcore is just mindless noise and Goregrind/Pornogrind are so absurdly grotesque they just come off as a bunchy of edgy teenagers trying to be as disgusting as possible.

Haven't heard enough Folk or Power Metal to have an opinion on them; like every kid with Guitar Hero 3 I had a phase of being obsessed with Dragonforce for a while, but nothing outside of that. I like the inherent cheese, though.
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Post by sangi39 » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 22:56

Man, you're just going to hate Cannibal Corpse and Behemoth [:P]
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The only metal I like is Babymetal. [B)]
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KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:The only metal I like is Babymetal. [B)]
I listen to them every time I walk into work at 5:30am [:)] The music is good, varied but not overly serious about itself, silly as hell, and really puts me in a good mood. Just what I need at that time of day.

Sure, there's the "manufactured" debate about it, but as long as it's a bit of fun, who cares?
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Post by Chagen » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 23:34

sangi39 wrote:Man, you're just going to hate Cannibal Corpse and Behemoth [:P]
Yeah I took a few listens at Cannibal Corpse and yup they are definitely not my thing. I can't detect any kind of "flow" throughout their songs--I understand that's one of the traits of Death Metal, I just don't like it. Every section sounds the same and it's just unpleasant to listen to. I can see why others like it, but I don't. Melodeath, on the other hand, some of that I can get behind.

Also, and I know this makes me sound like the pussiest wimp known to man, but Death Metal and Grindcore both tend to give me nightmares or keep me up at night if I try listening to them too late at night. I don't want to listen to music that actually scares me. I've heard a lot of Metal fans compare those two genres to Horror movies and fiction, and Horror is something I absolutely hate and avoid as much as possible. I listen to music to enjoy the instrumentation, technicality, and lyrics (if applicable). Like, that Bathory song I posted? I love that shredding and intense guitar, raw production, and violent-but-still-actually-comprehensible vocal style (plus that solo, holy fuck!). That Black Pestilence song is much the same: the vocals are much more aggressive, but they fit and I like the intense punk-influenced instrumentation. I just find the Satanism to be eyeroll-worthy ("IN THE NAME OF LUCIFEEEEEEEER!!!" God, it would be wonderfully cheesy if the band probably didn't actually believe that.)

My interests definitely lie more in the Punk/Hardcore side of things. I enjoy Metalcore because it's Post-Hardcore with Metal influences. Death Metal is....too Metal for me, as strange as that sounds. Grind is taking punk influence and going way too far till everything is just a headache-inducing cacophony of noise with Metal vocals. Yeah, that's cool, but you guys forgot to make music along the way. Also it's hard for me take a genre which unironically contains bands called "Rectal Smegma", "Vaginal Penetration of an Amelus with a Musty Carrot", and "Spermswamp" seriously. That's shit that 14-year-olds on 4chan come up with.
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Re: Metal Thread

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 22 Feb 2016, 00:13

Sorry, but the name Spermswamp is just too good!

As an aside, can you folks recommend any bands that feature more melodic vocals than your average "growled" lyrics? I love the instrumental portions of the metal I've heard, but if I can imagine Nathan Explosion when I listen to vocals, I'm just not into it.

(I feel like I've asked this before in here... Have I?)
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Post by sangi39 » Mon 22 Feb 2016, 00:19

Chagen wrote:
sangi39 wrote:Man, you're just going to hate Cannibal Corpse and Behemoth [:P]
Yeah I took a few listens at Cannibal Corpse and yup they are definitely not my thing. I can't detect any kind of "flow" throughout their songs--I understand that's one of the traits of Death Metal, I just don't like it. Every section sounds the same and it's just unpleasant to listen to. I can see why others like it, but I don't. Melodeath, on the other hand, some of that I can get behind.
Eh, musical taste is musical taste is music taste, man. And yeah, it kind of is what defines Death Metal, in a sense. As you've said later on, some, if not most, Death Metal bands deal with topics of death, violence, discord, and a philosophy espousing the ideas that reality and life are harsh and difficult to navigate, and the musical and vocal styles are meant to complement those themes. You do get bands that deal with ideas of mysticism, occultism and the like, and generally you get musical complements to that as well (see Nile for example), but the general themes are still quite dark.


Chagen wrote:Also, and I know this makes me sound like the pussiest wimp known to man, but Death Metal and Grindcore both tend to give me nightmares or keep me up at night if I try listening to them too late at night. I don't want to listen to music that actually scares me. I've heard a lot of Metal fans compare those two genres to Horror movies and fiction, and Horror is something I absolutely hate and avoid as much as possible. I listen to music to enjoy the instrumentation, technicality, and lyrics (if applicable). Like, that Bathory song I posted? I love that shredding and intense guitar, raw production, and violent-but-still-actually-comprehensible vocal style (plus that solo, holy fuck!). That Black Pestilence song is much the same: the vocals are much more aggressive, but they fit and I like the intense punk-influenced instrumentation.
People find different things exciting. Not everyone likes horror films, like yourself, other people enjoy them for an adrenaline rush. Different strokes and all that.

Actually on the note of unintelligible vocals, a lot of people, at least for the first few listenings, read along with the song. I admit it can be a pain sometimes, but it's just a way of handling the genre. It's similar to opera in a way. I love opera, but since most of it is in a language I can't speak, I have to have bilingual texts there with me sometimes, or subtitles if I'm watching it, to get a full sense of what's going on beyond the musical and lyrical styles. Accessibility within the genre isn't immediate, and it can put people off (hence, "metal is just noise"), but it is available.


Chagen wrote:I just find the Satanism to be eyeroll-worthy ("IN THE NAME OF LUCIFEEEEEEEER!!!" God, it would be wonderfully cheesy if the band probably didn't actually believe that.)
On this note, it depends on what you mean by "Satanism". Some Black Metal bands use it as a way of expressing opposition to religion in general, or specifically Christianity, without actually believing in either an actual, real being known as "Satan" or many of the philosophical points associated with it. Heri Joensen of Týr, IIRC, has stated that he's an atheist and that the references to Old Norse religion, mythology and history are there to express an opposition to religious beliefs which he feels were imposed upon the Faroe Islands (I believe he said he was actively bullied in school for not believing in God, for example).

Other Black Metal bands have members who do follow a more philosophical version of Satanism. They're usually atheists, but believe that the ideas espoused by people like Anton Lavey regarding the way human beings behave vs. how they should behave or more correct than ideas put forward by more "traditional" religions. Satanist imagery used in their music is mostly there as a kind of metaphor, rather than to represent a literal belief in Satan.

Then you get your "autotheistic" Satanists who believe that each individual creates their own experiences of the universe, their own reality and their own morality and the like, and then, yeah, your full-on Satan worshipping Satanists (although even here, who Satan is varies from group to group).

It all ends up fairly similar in the end, forming Black Metal, but different bands have a different philosophy.


Chagen wrote:My interests definitely lie more in the Punk/Hardcore side of things. I enjoy Metalcore because it's Post-Hardcore with Metal influences. Death Metal is....too Metal for me, as strange as that sounds. Grind is taking punk influence and going way too far till everything is just a headache-inducing cacophony of noise with Metal vocals. Yeah, that's cool, but you guys forgot to make music along the way. Also it's hard for me take a genre which unironically contains bands called "Rectal Smegma", "Vaginal Penetration of an Amelus with a Musty Carrot", and "Spermswamp" seriously. That's shit that 14-year-olds on 4chan come up with.
Yeah, some areas of Metal never really move away from "obvious shock tactic", which is a shame sometimes, but oh well, each to their own as we live and grow.
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Thrice Xandvii wrote:Sorry, but the name Spermswamp is just too good!

As an aside, can you folks recommend any bands that feature more melodic vocals than your average "growled" lyrics? I love the instrumental portions of the metal I've heard, but if I can imagine Nathan Explosion when I listen to vocals, I'm just not into it.

(I feel like I've asked this before in here... Have I?)
Melodic Metal and Symphonic Metal as entire genres might be a good start. Melodic Metal is more "typical" of Metal as a whole while Symphonic Metal usually goes into almost operatic territory.

Children of Bodom might be a good start, maybe Kamelot?

Gothic Metal usually has a mix of female clean vocals and male "harsh" vocals, so there's that as well. Cleaner male vocals are a feature of Lacuna Coil's music, though.
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 22 Feb 2016, 00:27

I've actually heard of Lacuna Coil! I'll give those others a listen as well.
Edit: Okay, I'm gonna listen to more Children of Bodom... It's still a little gruff for my taste, but the lead dude guy in the video for Morrigan is pretty hot. [:)]

The song by Kamelot I picked reminds me heavily of Queensrÿche... I dunno if that's a good thing.
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Post by sangi39 » Mon 22 Feb 2016, 00:43

Thrice Xandvii wrote:I've actually heard of Lacuna Coil! I'll give those others a listen as well.
Edit: Okay, I'm gonna listen to more Children of Bodom... It's still a little gruff for my taste
Lacuna Coil is awesome, and amazing live when I saw them in 2010.

Children of Bodom can be a little on the "gruff" side, but I the vocal style makes the lyrics more immediately understandable, not being so heavy growled or screamed.

You could check out Eluveite as well, if you want something Celtic-inspired, and you get Gaulish lyrics from them as well. Epica, Within Temptation, Xandria and Nightwish as well if you want to go down the more operatic route.

Static-X is still on the gruff side, but has the advantage of "cleaner harsh" vocals that Children of Bodom has.

Folk Metal-wise you could try Korpiklaani and Týr and for some really good female vocals give Baradj a listen to.


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Edit: but the lead dude guy in the video for Morrigan is pretty hot.[:)]
Agreed! [:D]
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 22 Feb 2016, 08:34

I was vaguely familiar with Nightwish... But hadn't really listened to anything on purpose... My god that shit rocks!

(Also, Static-X is pretty cool... What genre is Mudvayne? Cuz I like them too.)

Okay... Just jumped into the middle of Týr's Ragnarok... I gotta say, I'm enjoying it. They would have been awesome live. And the other language bit doesn't bug me... I mean, I basically tried to teach myself German for Rammstein, and some bits of Gaelic for Enya in years past.
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Thrice Xandvii wrote:I was vaguely familiar with Nightwish... But hadn't really listened to anything on purpose... My god that shit rocks!
The only problem with Nightwish, and we kind of discussed this above, is that you can kind of look at them as three different bands. With Tarja as the lead vocalist, it was much more along the more traditional symphonic metal line with a more operatic vocal style. With Anette they dropped that, and the music on general feels... "filmier" I guess. I mean, Imaginaerum was written alongside a film of the same name, but the transition was already happening with the album Once. With Floor Jansen as the lead vocalist, they've gone back to a similar vocal style to Tarja, but kept the music of Imaginaerum.

I've heard a lot of old Nightwish fans call their post-Tarja stuff "fake" and "poppy", blaming a lot of it on Anette, like the rest of the band, and Tuomas especially (who's more or less written the lyrics and music for every song Nightwish has ever performed), didn't exist.


Thrice Xandvii wrote:(Also, Static-X is pretty cool... What genre is Mudvayne? Cuz I like them too.)
Mudvayne, I think, is along similar lines to Static-X in terms of genre, but from what I've heard of them, they go less down the direction of Industrial Metal and more down the line of Power Metal.

Thrice Xandvii wrote:Okay... Just jumped into the middle of Týr's Ragnarok... I gotta say, I'm enjoying it. They would have been awesome live. And the other language bit doesn't bug me... I mean, I basically tried to teach myself German for Rammstein, and some bits of Gaelic for Enya in years past.
Týr live? So amazing. Like I said above, I saw them this weekend in York, and it was one of the best live performances I've ever seen in such a small venue.

Bilingualism, I think, seems much more prominent in Black Metal and Folk Metal. A number of Black Metal bands from Norway, for example, typically start out writing lyrics almost exclusively in Norwegian (there's probably a multitude of reasons for that), and I think when it comes to Folk Metal, since a lot of the lyrical themes are mythological and historical, the use of the language of those mythological and historical figures and events is meant as a complement. Týr sing about the Faroe Islands, that's where they're from and that's their history, so they'll sing in Faroese (and sometimes a kind of Faroese Danish). Skálmöld, similarly, deal a lot with Icelandic history and mythology, so they'll sing in Icelandic (much more so than Týr sings in Faroese). Eluveite deal with Gaulish history and mythology, so use a kind of reconstructed Gaulish. Arkona deals with old Russian mythology, so naturally they use Russian.

Linguistically, Folk Metal is insanely diverse. I've got Russian, Faroese, Danish, Icelandic, Bulgar Tatar, Mongolian, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Estonian, Gaulish, Icelandic, Japanese and German in my collection. I have no doubt other genres are just as diverse, but, for example, Black and Death Metal seem heavily confined to Scandinavian languages and English. Death and Black Metal are quite universal, in a sense. They have, as a genres, a shared ideology, so Black Metal in one country usually deals with the same themes as Black Metal in another country. Folk Metal, on the other hand, is very regional. Russian Folk Metal deals with different characters and events than, say, Norwegian Folk Metal. The music might be generally similar, and obviously they're all singing about the past, but it's a different past everywhere you go, and so does the language that gets used. It's pretty interesting.
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