The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

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Post by Frislander » Tue 31 Oct 2017, 15:17

DesEsseintes wrote:
gestaltist wrote:
DesEsseintes wrote:Today is chocolate day.
What's the Hii word for chocolate? Or whatever their closest equivalent is?
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Post by gestaltist » Tue 31 Oct 2017, 15:22

DesEsseintes wrote:
gestaltist wrote:
DesEsseintes wrote:Today is chocolate day.
What's the Hii word for chocolate? Or whatever their closest equivalent is?
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Tue 31 Oct 2017, 22:30

Has anyone ever found language evolution to be a good metaphor for evolution evolution (and vice versa)? To explain something evolution-related to a friend today, I used parallels in Indo-European linguistics to explain (I used Latin and the Romance languages to explain the idea of common ancestors and evidence for common ancestry, I compared discovering a transitional fossil to discovering Hittite and the laryngeals, etc.) I just found it to be an interesting connection. I'm no expert in either field.
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Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Post by qwed117 » Tue 31 Oct 2017, 23:59

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Has anyone ever found language evolution to be a good metaphor for evolution evolution (and vice versa)? To explain something evolution-related to a friend today, I used parallels in Indo-European linguistics to explain (I used Latin and the Romance languages to explain the idea of common ancestors and evidence for common ancestry, I compared discovering a transitional fossil to discovering Hittite and the laryngeals, etc.) I just found it to be an interesting connection. I'm no expert in either field.
It would be more adequate for bacterial evolution (horizontal transfer). I would find it a poor analogy for post-plastidic eukaryote evolution.
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 03:19

qwed117 wrote: It would be more adequate for bacterial evolution (horizontal transfer). I would find it a poor analogy for post-plastidic eukaryote evolution.
Yeah, I think that would work for borrowing and substrates and language contact, but I think the other could work more for proto-languages (mothers and daughters and such), since it's more vertical. But maybe a better comparison is between the taxonomy of biological families and that of language families (without explicit regard to evolution as such).

(But I'm not gonna pretend I know as much about biology or evolution as you! I had to Google "post plastidic" [xD] ).
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Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Post by Lambuzhao » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 04:41

Frislander wrote:
DesEsseintes wrote:
gestaltist wrote:
DesEsseintes wrote:Today is chocolate day.
What's the Hii word for chocolate? Or whatever their closest equivalent is?
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Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Post by Lambuzhao » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 04:52

qwed117 wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Has anyone ever found language evolution to be a good metaphor for evolution evolution (and vice versa)? To explain something evolution-related to a friend today, I used parallels in Indo-European linguistics to explain (I used Latin and the Romance languages to explain the idea of common ancestors and evidence for common ancestry, I compared discovering a transitional fossil to discovering Hittite and the laryngeals, etc.) I just found it to be an interesting connection. I'm no expert in either field.
It would be more adequate for bacterial evolution (horizontal transfer). I would find it a poor analogy for post-plastidic eukaryote evolution.
In a completely other direction, the other week, I was contemplating the limits of prokaryotic colonial organismal assemblages.
Under proper conditions, just how complex an organism could develop from such one-celled creatures?
And what of distal bacterial/cyanobacterial/archæobacterial chemical communication strategies in a complex corporate assemblage?
A lot of variables, for sure.

Of course contemplating this under fever-induced vaticinative hysteria.

Were the bacteria speaking to me?

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Post by qwed117 » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 04:56

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote: (But I'm not gonna pretend I know as much about biology or evolution as you! I had to Google "post plastidic" [xD] ).
That doesn't sound/look like it was very helpful. Most scientific words gain context when used in speech about them, so you should try to first divide scientific words before googling them (here, plastidic and more deeply plastid). This simply refers to the time after the last development of the Eukaryote plastids. Plastids were the only major form of horizontal gene transfer among Eukaryotes, and as a result they have some of the messiest history (A plant plastid is different from the plastids in Dinoflagellates and in red algae. What I was trying to say is that after plastids came into their current location, horizontal transfer in Eukaryota virtually disappeared. [:|]
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 05:05

Well I wasn't sure if it was a commonly-used phrase or not, so I wanted to check, but I got the gist of it.

And thanks--I think I understand that better now [:)]
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Post by Ànradh » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 23:51

qwed117 wrote:It would be more adequate for bacterial evolution (horizontal transfer). I would find it a poor analogy for post-plastidic eukaryote evolution.
True, it breaks down once borrowing gets involved, but broadly speaking, I think it works, what with the geographical barrier segregating populations, and cumulative small changes in different directions creating larger divergence.
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Post by Ahzoh » Sun 05 Nov 2017, 07:44

I devised myself a list of verbs to translate so that I can the expand Haxyakian lexicon, but it's left me feeling uneasy about how to approach it all.
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Mostly in deciding the distribution of verbs with their own roots and verbs that are derived from other verbs and verbs that have synonyms that are both.
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Post by Reyzadren » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 01:42

I'm adding stuff into my frathwiki userpage soon, but instead of settling for a small infobox, I'm thinking of also doing it in an interview Q&A/FAQ/AMA style.

Quick, for anyone interested here, hurl your juicy questions to me (via PM, this thread, my conlang thread, etc). Conlangery-related or otherwise, go for it!
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 01:46

Reyzadren wrote:I'm adding stuff into my frathwiki userpage soon, but instead of settling for a small infobox, I'm thinking of also doing it in an interview Q&A/FAQ/AMA style.

Quick, for anyone interested here, hurl your juicy questions to me (via PM, this thread, my conlang thread, etc). Conlangery-related or otherwise, go for it!
I know I like making somewhat personalized User Boxen instead of the typical infobox... as I did here: http://www.frathwiki.com/User:Thirty7/Userboxes
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Post by Lambuzhao » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 12:52

Thrice Xandvii wrote: I know I like making somewhat personalized User
Edit: Boxen
instead of the typical infobox... as I did here: http://www.frathwiki.com/User:Thirty7/Userboxes
SG [->] PL

box → boxen

:wat:

♂M [->] ♀F
box → bixen

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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 13:11

One ox, but several oxen. Why not for boxes?
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Thrice Xandvii wrote:One ox, but several oxen. Why not for boxes?
Because North-East Midlands, ca. 1350.
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 18:04

The question was mostly rhetorical for humor's sake... nonetheless, I don't understand your answer.
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Post by qwed117 » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 22:59

Userbuxom, plene of all info you could need.
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Post by elemtilas » Wed 08 Nov 2017, 02:07

Lambuzhao wrote:SG [->] PL

box → boxen

:wat:

♂M [->] ♀F
box → bixen

:wat: :wat:
Osh Kosh Bigoxen!

Or, less succinctly:

One fox, two sox, red ox, closed box;
fox goes in box,
oxen wear soxen;
foxen like soxen, so trade them with oxen,
now oxen like loxen, so get some from foxen;
foxen like loxen, wearing their soxen,
and coxwein like daxhuind, dogs rather vexin;
daxhuind got poxen in Rome in the noxen,
so foxen cure toxin with six kinds of hexen,
coxwein give foxen the names of six vixen;
now foxen have vixen, coxwein have daxhuind,
now daxhuind lack poxen because of the hexen,
Rome has its poxen all of the noxen,
foxen nick loxen and vixen get some
foxen get soxen and oxen get none
oxen lack soxen and well want some
oxen lack loxen and shall get none
boxen are boxen and e'er shall be
oxen don't want em cos in em are nixen!
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