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Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 31 Aug 2018 01:30
by Khemehekis
It's a mockingly defensive way of saying a general description fits you specifically, with such accuracy that you feel violated. YMMV; it took me awhile to come up with that definition.
Oh, OK, thanks for the explanation.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 31 Aug 2018 17:49
by alynnidalar
Yes, that's how I would interpret it as well. The phrase "just @ me next time" has a similar meaning. (in that case, you're jokingly implying that the other person is passive-aggressively referring to you specifically and are saying they should just specifically mention you--e.g. with Twitter's @username function--next time they want to call you out)

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 31 Aug 2018 18:07
by All4Ɇn
Khemehekis wrote:
30 Aug 2018 04:54
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018 ... -languages
An extreme language learner has a more-than-random chance of being a gay, left-handed male on the autism spectrum, with an autoimmune disorder, such as asthma or allergies.
All but one! [:P]

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 04 Sep 2018 20:43
by Frislander
All4Ɇn wrote:
31 Aug 2018 18:07
Khemehekis wrote:
30 Aug 2018 04:54
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018 ... -languages
An extreme language learner has a more-than-random chance of being a gay, left-handed male on the autism spectrum, with an autoimmune disorder, such as asthma or allergies.
All but one! [:P]
Nearly all but 1 (not sure if I still have the mild cat hair/dog allergy I had as a child).

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 05 Sep 2018 01:32
by Khemehekis
alynnidalar wrote:
31 Aug 2018 17:49
Yes, that's how I would interpret it as well. The phrase "just @ me next time" has a similar meaning. (in that case, you're jokingly implying that the other person is passive-aggressively referring to you specifically and are saying they should just specifically mention you--e.g. with Twitter's @username function--next time they want to call you out)
Oh my God, I was just playing Scrabble today and I used the word ATS!

The actual play went down like this: My opponent had played ZAP earlier, and I had played QUEST, and then on my next turn, made it into INQUEST. Joining the P of ZAP and the T of INQUEST was an I, my opponent's word PIT. The U in INQUEST intersected with a CUNT I had made (I had warned my opponent beforehand that I had a dirty word in mind, but she encouraged me to play it -- later she played FAG, in full knowledge of my bisexuality; my housemate Aaron played FAG as well once, saying "You're going to hate me for this"). So I joined the C in CUNT and the I in PIT by making CETI (as in Tau Ceti). Going down with my E, I formed ZEE -- the American pronunciation of the twenty-sixth letter -- and going down with my T, I formed ATS -- "like 'He ats me a lot on Twitter'", I explained.

It was a great game. The game started off with several four-letter words in a row before I broke the rut with QUEST. I got to play TWEEN (and later BETWEEN), JINX, LIVID, VOODOO, RYA, and DUX, while my opponent played SOFT and later SOFTLY, NOIR, SE (as in "per se"), HYPE, and SIG. The game finished off with me using an R to spell RO -- the name of a conlang!

At our house, we don't play by the traditional Scrabble rules. We freely make our words go off the board, although there are no double/triple letter nor double/triple word score bonuses for off-the-board letters, of course. And with words free in space, we play until all the players have used up all their tiles. The word JINX, for instance, was entirely off the board, landing me 18 points, whereas if it had been on an area with a double letter score square and a triple word score square, it could have been worth a lot more.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 07 Sep 2018 04:51
by Khemehekis
While I was taking Paratransit home from Recovery Innovations today, I saw a fire truck. I had my headphones on, but it was there right ahead of us. I took my headphones off and asked my driver where the fire truck was headed. She said it was probably just parked. Then she noticed a bunch of other fire trucks. She said they must be gathered by a fire that was right in that area.

Then she saw it. The fire was to our right. I looked to my right, and I saw lots of smoke smoldering from some trees. There was a wildfire during California wildfire season!

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 07 Sep 2018 14:33
by elemtilas
Khemehekis wrote:
07 Sep 2018 04:51
While I was taking Paratransit home from Recovery Innovations today, I saw a fire truck. I had my headphones on, but it was there right ahead of us. I took my headphones off and asked my driver where the fire truck was headed. She said it was probably just parked. Then she noticed a bunch of other fire trucks. She said they must be gathered by a fire that was right in that area.

Then she saw it. The fire was to our right. I looked to my right, and I saw lots of smoke smoldering from some trees. There was a wildfire during California wildfire season!
Heh. Just one more example of California weirdness. Myeh, earthquake. Whatever. Myeh, forest fire. We're about due for one.

I'll take a nice big continent without all those pesky faults, and a mild wettish climate any time!

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 07 Sep 2018 21:10
by Ahzoh
My first week of university is over and it's been rather exciting. I'm taking Introduction to Severn Ojibwe as a part of it and now I can almost ask y'all to pass me 12 bannocks in it.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 08 Sep 2018 03:03
by alynnidalar
Ooh! That's pretty cool.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 08 Sep 2018 05:36
by Ahzoh
I'll have niishoshaap (piish) waapoos.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 08 Sep 2018 14:20
by DesEsseintes
Ahzoh wrote:
07 Sep 2018 21:10
My first week of university is over and it's been rather exciting. I'm taking Introduction to Severn Ojibwe as a part of it and now I can almost ask y'all to pass me 12 bannocks in it.
Congrats, Ahzoh!

I remember you telling us you weren’t very optimistic about getting into uni, so I’m glad to hear you’ve made it.

And, Anishinaabemowin is a lovely language. [:D]

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 08 Sep 2018 16:19
by Ahzoh
It’s Anihshininiimowin in this dialect, which is even more of a tongue twister.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 00:00
by Lambuzhao
So, after Michael from Vsauce/Dong's rendition of a super long list of Prime Numbers, I ebbed into higher dimensions, allowable geometric solids in various dimensions, and then into something sort of simpler:
mathematical powers. Specifically,

1) Are there shorter (one-word) versions of "to the fourth power", "to the fifth power", etc., like 'squared', 'cubed'?

Apparently, the answer is yes, from a few centuries ago.
n2 to the second power squared
n3 to the third power cubed
n4 to the fourth power biquadrated (1756); tesseracted/hypercubed/quadric (attested on more math fora)
n5 to the fifth power sursolid (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n6 to the sixth power square-cube (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n7 to the seventh power second sursolid (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n8 to the eighth power biquadrate-squared\ squared-biquadrate (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n9 to the ninth power cube-cubed (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n10 to the tenth power squared sursolid (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n11 to the eleventh power third sursolid (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n12 to the twelfth power squared square-cube (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n13 to the thirteenth power ¿¿¿???
n14 to the forteenth power ¿¿¿???
n15 to the fifteenth power ¿¿¿???
n16 to the sixteenth power quaquadrate (Jeake) ; ¿¿¿???

The source for the bold entires above is a 1701 text by Samuel Jeake, titled A Compleat Body of Arithmetick, in Four Books, unless otherwise dated. Specifically, The Third Book - Of Cossicks.

https://books.google.com/books?id=zP7mA ... te&f=false


The powers in italic bold come from Dilworth's (1756) The Schoolmaster's Aʃʃiʃtant
https://books.google.com/books?id=0itBr ... id&f=false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenzizenzizenzic
[O.O]
Holy Neeps 'n' Tatties! what have I gotten myself into ‽ [:'(] [:'(] [:'(] [:'(] [:'(] [:'(]


2. Do other natlangs have shorthand versions of "to the nth power" similar to squared, cubed?

It seems this article from Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenzizenzizenzic
seems to lead me more down that rabbit-hole.

[O.o] [o.O]

3. Have any conlangers done their math homework with regard to describing powers?
:wat: :wat: :wat: :?: :?: :?:

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 00:42
by sangi39
Lambuzhao wrote:
10 Sep 2018 00:00
2. Do other natlangs have shorthand versions of "to the nth power" similar to squared, cubed?
Finnish apparently uses the base number, appearing as a cardinal, followed by the exponent, appearing as an ordinal in the illative singular, e.g. kolme neljänteen, which is roughly equivalent to "three to the fourth (power)", as far as I can tell, where the potenssiin (illative singular of potenssi, "power") is implicit, as in English.

It seems that most languages that I've looked at so far have roughly followed the trend of "x to the power of n" or "x to the nth power", dropping the "power" to shorten the phrase down, which happens in English too ("three to the fourth", for example). If there are languages with dedicated terms for powers (other than "squared" and "cubed") they would appear to be quite rare.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 01:02
by ixals
German simply says "x hoch n" ("x high n"). Probably because n is written in a higher position compared to x.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 14:34
by Aszev
This is the first time I've heard about to the xth power. My new knowledge of the day, I suppose.

In Swedish it's more reminiscent of German, x² is x upphöjt till två, i.e. 'x raised/lifted up to two'.

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 14:45
by Lambuzhao
sangi39 wrote:
10 Sep 2018 00:42
Lambuzhao wrote:
10 Sep 2018 00:00
2. Do other natlangs have shorthand versions of "to the nth power" similar to squared, cubed?
Finnish apparently uses the base number, appearing as a cardinal, followed by the exponent, appearing as an ordinal in the illative singular, e.g. kolme neljänteen, which is roughly equivalent to "three to the fourth (power)", as far as I can tell, where the potenssiin (illative singular of potenssi, "power") is implicit, as in English.
Intriguisting. :wat:
Spanish does/can do pretty much the same with their apparent cognate potencia.

It seems that most languages that I've looked at so far have roughly followed the trend of "x to the power of n" or "x to the nth power", dropping the "power" to shorten the phrase down, which happens in English too ("three to the fourth", for example). If there are languages with dedicated terms for powers (other than "squared" and "cubed") they would appear to be quite rare.
exponents in the illative (wooden brain-wheels creaking into motion). Wunder which case I might use for my :con: Rozwi (¿¿??).

Mebbe some kind of reflexive construction somehow?

n RFLX.ABL NUM.adv

(in clunky English)
a number {multiplied}by itself X times
Hmmm…

ovai žeiččeo
two RFLX.SG.DIST
Lit. two times itself = 2 to the 2nd power

ovai žeičoin
two RFLX.DU.DIST
two by two selves = 2 to the 3rd power

ovai žieččeo zeošeo
two RFLX.PL.DIST three.DIST
two by three selves = 2 to the 4th power


[O.O]

I might use the ordinal with žieččeo and higher powers (4th…nth), because, ovai <whatever> zeošeo could me misunderstood as a simple multiplication instead of cossics.

ovai žeiččeo zewan
two RFLX.SG.DIST three.ORD
two by its third self = 2 to the 4th power

[o.O] :?:

Something to continue tinkering with.

Thanks again, Sangi. [:O]

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 15:00
by Lambuzhao
Aszev wrote:
10 Sep 2018 14:34
This is the first time I've heard about to the xth power. My new knowledge of the day, I suppose.

In Swedish it's more reminiscent of German, x² is x upphöjt till två, i.e. 'x raised/lifted up to two'.
:idea:
W00T!

And there goes a nice scaffolding for Sadrås, though they might use the ordinals here -

x öpphibvght tuo åtre 'x lifted up to {the} second'

Hmmmm…

I wonder if
x sjöpphibvght tüc Lit. 'x lifted up by itself twice' actually means 'x to the 3rd' (¿¿??)

[O.o] Image

Aszev, Tænchej müc / Tack så mycket! :mrgreen:

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 10 Sep 2018 23:15
by Reyzadren
In that other natlang that I speak, 2^3 is glossed as "2 power 3".

My conlang expresses powers in a similar manner of 3 words. 2^3 is glossed as "2 mathspower 3". Ie, "mathspower" is not the same word as regular "power".

Re: The Quintessential 5th Conversation Thread

Posted: 11 Sep 2018 03:16
by elemtilas
Lambuzhao wrote:
10 Sep 2018 00:00
So, after Michael from Vsauce/Dong's rendition of a super long list of Prime Numbers, I ebbed into higher dimensions, allowable geometric solids in various dimensions, and then into something sort of simpler:
mathematical powers. Specifically,

1) Are there shorter (one-word) versions of "to the fourth power", "to the fifth power", etc., like 'squared', 'cubed'?

Apparently, the answer is yes, from a few centuries ago.
n2 to the second power squared
n3 to the third power cubed
n4 to the fourth power biquadrated (1756); tesseracted/hypercubed/quadric (attested on more math fora)
n5 to the fifth power sursolid (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
n6 to the sixth power square-cube (1756) ; ¿¿¿???
Interesting tidbit for squirrelling away! What I can add:

Moor's Arithmetick of 1660 has a table of SQUARES, CUBES, SQUARED SQUARES, SQUARE CUBES & CUBED CUBES.

Phillippes's Mathematical Manual has many interesting tables, but sadly doesn't mention powers.

Encyclopedia Britannica of 1771 lists ROOT, SQUARE, CUBE, BIQUADRATE, SURSOLID, CUBE SQUARED, SEVENTH, EIGHTH & NINTH powers.

None of these come right out and say "A 'to the xth'" however. Etymonline attributes that phraseology to 1852.
3. Have any conlangers done their math homework with regard to describing powers?
:wat: :wat: :wat: :?: :?: :?:
In Talarian mathematics, they call this hupparahattan, leaping above:

23 = twwo hohocme = two (leaping) by threes
34 = trayan limtellorme = three (leaping) by fours

They don't use superscripts to denote involution, but rather some kind of symbol that's above my paygrade to understand!