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Phonemic, Phonetic, and Phonemetic

Posted: Tue 26 Dec 2017, 21:12
by eldin raigmore
Several places on the web discuss the difference between phonemic and phonetic. This is one of them, for instance.

There might be a portmanteau word, "phonemetic".
What would it study?
Sounds made via reverse peristalsis, perhaps?

Anyone have anything to suggest?

Re: Phonemic, Phonetic, and Phonemetic

Posted: Wed 03 Jan 2018, 20:54
by Creyeditor
Okay, so what is 'phonemic'? It is about abstract units that are contrastive (there are minimal pairs) and distinctive (you can perceive the difference).
What is phonetics? Maybe it is about concrete units that are (on their own) neither contrative nor distinctive?
That would leave some space in between for things that are either contrastive, but not distinctive (incomplete neutralization) or distinctive, but not contrastive (like the one language I read about where hal of the word initial /b/'s are prenasalized, but there is absolutely no minimal pair). These could be phonemetic.

Re: Phonemic, Phonetic, and Phonemetic

Posted: Thu 04 Jan 2018, 11:09
by gestaltist
Interesting, Cray. What about a situation where the phonemic inventory can be reduced via morphophonology?

Re: Phonemic, Phonetic, and Phonemetic

Posted: Thu 04 Jan 2018, 14:16
by Creyeditor
Well, people have called these units morphophonemes, so it's a similar spirit.

Re: Phonemic, Phonetic, and Phonemetic

Posted: Fri 05 Jan 2018, 01:05
by eldin raigmore
Creyeditor wrote:
Wed 03 Jan 2018, 20:54
.... That would leave some space in between for things that are either contrastive, but not distinctive (incomplete neutralization) or distinctive, but not contrastive (like the one language I read about where hal of the word initial /b/'s are prenasalized, but there is absolutely no minimal pair). These could be phonemetic.
Thanks, Creyeditor.