Flägs & vexillology!

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Re: Flägs & vexillology!

Post by Dormouse559 » Thu 17 Dec 2015, 01:25

cntrational wrote:https://www.ted.com/talks/roman_mars_wh ... anguage=en

TED Talk on flag design.
That was a good listen. I'd never thought to look at city flags. I thought I'd try finding a city flag I liked (other than the examples Mars gave), but so far I've only found one that confuses me.

This is the flag of Tampa, Florida, which, on top of being an unusual shape, contains a seal, text in two languages and elements of five other flags: U.S., Spanish, British, Italian and French. Oh, and there is a hidden "H" and "T" in the mix.

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But watching the TED talk, I noticed that Portland's flag is downright gorgeous.

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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Thu 17 Dec 2015, 01:28

Ooooooh, love that last one!
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Post by Dormouse559 » Thu 17 Dec 2015, 01:54

I know, right? There's this intricacy that emerges from the basic shapes. And you can tell immediately that it means something specific, even if you can't say exactly what.
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Post by Lao Kou » Thu 17 Dec 2015, 01:59

Dormouse559 wrote:This is the flag of Tampa, Florida, which, on top of being an unusual shape, contains a seal, text in two languages and elements of five other flags: U.S., Spanish, British, Italian and French. Oh, and there is a hidden "H" and "T" in the mix.
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A kitchen sink flag?
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Post by Dormouse559 » Thu 17 Dec 2015, 02:26

Lao Kou wrote:
Dormouse559 wrote:This is the flag of Tampa, Florida, which, on top of being an unusual shape, contains a seal, text in two languages and elements of five other flags: U.S., Spanish, British, Italian and French. Oh, and there is a hidden "H" and "T" in the mix.
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A kitchen sink flag?
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Post by Dormouse559 » Thu 17 Dec 2015, 22:01

I finally found some nice city flags he didn't mention in the talk.

Wichita, Kansas
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Denver, Colorado
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Post by Shemtov » Fri 18 Dec 2015, 03:43

Dormouse559 wrote:[
This is the flag of Tampa, Florida, which, on top of being an unusual shape, contains a seal, text in two languages and elements of five other flags: U.S., Spanish, British, Italian and French.And a



And a color-reversed canton of the Esperantist flag, apparently. (It also looks like the shape of Pennsylvania)
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Post by Shemtov » Fri 18 Dec 2015, 04:04

More bad city flags:
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Have they been paid by Coca-Cola?

Harker Heights, TX:
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Vote Mr. Harker Heights for State Senate
(There's so many bad flags in Texas)

Inglewood, CA:
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Whaaaat......theeeee.......eeeeeeeeeffffffffffffffffffffff


Tamarac, FL:
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Also the City for Bad Flag Design

St. Petersberg, FL:
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Pelican......on.....ACID!!!!


Ocean City, ME:
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*Barfs*
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Post by druneragarsh » Fri 18 Dec 2015, 09:34

At least the Ocean City flag only has two colors and no text!
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Post by Dormouse559 » Fri 18 Dec 2015, 10:04

I don't mind the Ocean City one so much. It's creative about including text in a way that won't be off-putting when viewed in reverse. The St. Petersburg one is salvageable. I think they could start by just having three stripes - one red, one green, one blue - and cleaning up/stylizing the lines of the pelican.
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Post by Lao Kou » Fri 18 Dec 2015, 11:55

Shemtov wrote:More bad city flags:
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Have they been paid by Coca-Cola?

Harker Heights, TX:
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Vote Mr. Harker Heights for State Senate

Inglewood, CA:
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Tamarac, FL:
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St. Petersberg, FL:
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Ocean City, ME:
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The problem I see with this batch is that they're not really flags, if they're flags, but billboard ad campaigns generated by Chambers of Commerce -- which is fine... on a billboard. The Baton Rouge one evokes some older symbolism, but as Shemtov notes, they seem to want you to link it to "the real thing". For Harker Heights, I thought more "cereal box" than "campaign poster" ("If you wanna stay regular, have a bowl of Harkers Heights every morning, (part of this nutritious breakfast)."), but I take Shem's point. Inglewood's looks like a Celestial Tea box. St. Petersburg's begs to be made into a silkscreen T-shirt. They're ads, not flags. Flags, I guess in the modern sense (as opposed to, "I'm on your side, please don't shoot me."), should evoke frissons of belonging from a community's shared symbolic (historic) language. These are brochures or paper placemats, which, while they may stir up some local pride, are also aimed at outsiders saying, "Come visit us (and spend money here)." These feel more like vexillogical visual analogues to city jingles (from my experience in the 80s, like Buffalo's "Buffalo's Talkin' Proud" or Boston's Channel 4's "Channel Four's For Boston" (get it?)). Decent ad design? Perhaps. Decent flag design? For me, not so much.
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Post by Lambuzhao » Sat 19 Dec 2015, 13:13

Not to dump, but:
1) Baton Rouge with the red field and offset escutcheon/coat of arms would be just fine.
2) Harker Heights almost immediately made me think of the Marlboro logo. Coincidence? You be the judge.
The unusual off-kilter division between red & white, and the oversized star would make for an interesting flag all by its lonesome, IMHO.

3) Inglewood, CA © cannot possibly be a flag. A billboard (as The Kou suggests) or a mission statement, perhaps.
4) Now, if Tamarac took just those wave-divided bicolor 'flaglets' and arranged them in a vertical, nautical flag-style arrangement mebbe I'd bite.

4) Andy Warhol's Pelican on Acid

5) OC, Md 70s craycray 2 me . (I can recall weird similar designs in the auncient King of Prussia Basilica to the Dollar (no longer there on the newer swankier walls). There maybe similar eyesores in some of the underground stations for the SEPTA El(evated Blue Line) train in Philly, if I'm not mistaken (still there, possibly). Yipes!
Dormouse wrote:This is the flag of Tampa, Florida, which, on top of being an unusual shape, contains a seal, text in two languages and elements of five other flags: U.S., Spanish, British, Italian and French. Oh, and there is a hidden "H" and "T" in the mix.
I thought that was an H + K in the flag. Whatevs.
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Post by Dormouse559 » Sat 19 Dec 2015, 21:03

Lambuzhao wrote:I thought that was an H + K in the flag. Whatevs.
The Wikipedia page says there's a T. I believe you'll see it if you rotate your computer screen 90 degrees clockwise.
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Post by Sglod » Tue 22 Dec 2015, 17:07

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Shropshire has a pretty cool flag.
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Thu 25 Feb 2016, 01:49

I love the flag of Russia's "Jewish Autonomous Oblast":

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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Thu 25 Feb 2016, 04:18

Sglod wrote:Image

Shropshire has a pretty cool flag.
A bit busy for my taste. And I've always hated the various heraldic fur patterns. Unsure exactly why though.
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Post by sangi39 » Sat 27 Feb 2016, 22:02

Not sure this has been brought up yet, but any thoughts on the potential new flag of New Zealand?

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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Sun 28 Feb 2016, 03:00

I like the overall look quite a lot, but I feel like the leaf would be hella hard to make. I wonder if, for practical reasons, a curve that suggests a fern might be better?
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Post by sangi39 » Sun 28 Feb 2016, 03:10

Thrice Xandvii wrote:I like the overall look quite a lot, but I feel like the leaf would be hella hard to make. I wonder if, for practical reasons, a curve that suggests a fern might be better?
I don't know. Compared to say, the flag of Albania, the fern design is pretty simple. And aren't most flags now not made by hand?

What I will say, though, is that the fronds of the fern are a little too rounded by my taste, but that could just familiarity with the All Blacks' logo, and possibly with the stars being pointed.

Either way, they don't seem to have had much trouble making one:

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Seeing it on an actual flag, I like it a little bit more.
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Re: Flägs & vexillology!

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Sun 28 Feb 2016, 06:01

Oh wow! That looks awesome!
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