Vini, Trolli, nunc Explicare
It is also worth noting that Torco is a professional sociologist. Obviously that doesn't mean that he's immune to being completely off base on anything sociological, but it does mean that I try to think very carefully through the things that he says.
EDIT: He's also pretty well-travelled
, although he hasn't specified where he's been in the US.
For example, this sort of post -this person might know what he's talking about, and thanks for the vote of confidence btw man- is impossible in the zeeb; well, not impossible, but strange: the same people, i.e. Trailsend, will behave differently here from there because, as with any two communities, virtual or physical, both places have different cultures, and the zeeb is culturally more of a dog-eat-dog kind of place.
Of course when I said ye yanks are segregationists, I didn't mean every yank is a racist segregationist, but rather, that american culture [that is, ye as a culture, as opposed to you as an individual, a distinction I would very much like to see in English] has strong currents of racial segregationism; not only are blacks overwhelmingly more likely [please point out any gaffes on my part, is saying 'blacks' okay?] to marry blacks, for example, and same with asians and whites and latinos, historically much of the racism that occurred in the states post-slavery was segregation-based. Common as it might look to an american, the idea that colours are kinds of people and that those kinds of people should be kept separate [I'm not saying every yank holds it, if that's hard, google ideology and/or culture] is distinctly american; other cultures tend to discriminate on the bases of culture, like the greeks and romans [who cares if you're black, you speak like a fucking barbarian, that's why I hate you, barbarian, now fuck off], of SES [like here in Chile, where everyone derides the mores of the lower classes], or of something else entirely. Damn, I remember as a kid, after seeing wave after wave of yank movies where everyone
is black, to have wondered... hey, the states must be full of black people... and lo and behold, its not! whether or not this black-only pattern of sociality is true, that is, if blacks do indeed only hang out with blacks, the fact that there's movies where EVERYONE is black and EVERYONE is black but that recognize that there's a diversity of color in the states should tell you something, innit? The conception of race as kinds of people, even, is distinctly anglosaxon, or perhaps protestant; the Spanish didn't much have it, they were more into discriminating based on culture and religion.
My point is that the cultural construction, or social imaginary if you wanna get technical, surrounding discrimination, race and alterity in the state has an important segregation component that is absent from other ways to discriminate, like the Muslim way to discriminate which is more based on religion [though non-arab muslims are too discriminated, they're never told, in the history of Islam to my knowledge, to get lost and keep to their own; this keep to your own mentality is common in the states, both explicitly and implicitly]
Trailsend wrote: thaen wrote:
Torco wrote:of course not al ye yanks are segregationist racists... but culturally, the states is, on the whole, pretty racist, and people of the same colour tend to hang out with people of the same colour, that is, there's quite a bit of segregation.... not as much as during the fifties, granted. but okay, I realize this is probably not an issue to joke about. coors not all ye yanks are racists.
Wow. None of that is a rule. Or even hard set. Yeah, people of same skin color can hang together. Also, you have to factor in cultural differences.
He didn't say it was a rule. Whether people can
hang out together is not the same as whether people do
hang out together. Also, what does "factor in cultural differences" mean?
that's its variable so little can be said about it... its a common response to cultural commentary
eldin raigmore wrote:I think that by now we may have over-reacted to Torco, at least collectively if not also distributively (at least jointly if not also severally).
He's probably feeling pretty ganged-up-on.
@Torco; I hope you're not shy to say "hello!" again. We'd love hearing from you.
Anyway, the point you made about "how NOT to Conworld" rang a bell for many of us; so much intra-species conflict and avoidance or resolution of same, seems to be done with a severe lack of imagination and creativity (for instance ignoring the possibility entirely).
Oooww, guise. don't worry, bro, it's all good, I did say something which, given the state's history, I might have known would rile up a few feathers [zat how you write it?]. Here might not be as boring as I thought, I'm not going away too soon. And that's part of the beauty of conworlding, it forces you to face what you feel is obvious, in this case, the WASP notion of race and discrimination; we humans are quite creative, we're perfectly able to degrade others in many creative ways.