Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by shimobaatar » Thu 04 Jun 2015, 05:39

gach wrote:I find it strange that we specifically have the idea that the ancient Egypt would be obsessed about death. The funerary customs of the ancient Chinese ruling class for example don't look very different from them with all their mummies and pyramid building and yet somehow we don't associate this culture with death.
gach wrote:The stories do mention religious concepts but no more than any other ancient culture would and they certainly aren't focussed on religion.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by clawgrip » Thu 04 Jun 2015, 14:22

I guess our association of Ancient Egypt with death and religion is all because the majority of what managed to survive over the millennia are tombs and religious inscriptions. China still exists, so we see a bunch of other stuff they've done. Since Ancient Egypt is gone, we can only rely on the artifacts recorded on materials that managed to survive, which creates a bias in our associations of Egyptian culture. Maybe there were a bunch of lower-class Ancient Egyptian stand-up comics and musicians whose material and tools just never survived to our century. Who knows!
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by Salmoneus » Thu 04 Jun 2015, 18:39

Is our society monolithically obsessed with particle physics? Because the LHC is probably our society's most impressive single product.


My impression of Egyptian culture has actually been one of a relatively irreligious society, by the standards of ancient civilisation...
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by Lambuzhao » Thu 04 Jun 2015, 20:09

&Clawgrip -

Excellent point of contrast, China is. Glad you mentioned it.

What monument of China can we see from space?
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ ... e1e827.jpg

No! That is not an inverse of the Yellow River. Well, at least I think it's not.

And, after all, China's name (granted, one of a great many titles over the ages) has been

中國.

So, does that make you either 中 or 外?
I wouldn't say it's a monolithic cultural attitude.
Pervasive, perhaps?
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by Lambuzhao » Thu 04 Jun 2015, 20:14

Salmoneus wrote:Is our society monolithically obsessed with particle physics? Because the LHC is probably our society's most impressive single product.
Clearly not.

Our obsession with astronomy is much larger -

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/cultu ... escope.jpg
http://www.esacademic.com/pictures/eswi ... ray.02.jpg

[:P]

My impression of Egyptian culture has actually been one of a relatively irreligious society, by the standards of ancient civilisation...
How so? :wat: What gives you that impression?
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Lambuzhao » Thu 04 Jun 2015, 20:16

elemtilas wrote:
Lambuzhao wrote:or even just death. Most were probably just happy to be actively putting Death off for another day.
Wake up every morning and predict: I shall not die today!

Go to sleep every night thankful you were right.

When the time comes, be content.

I am pretty sure that I will not go out gently in that good night.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by HoskhMatriarch » Fri 05 Jun 2015, 01:48

Lambuzhao wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:Is our society monolithically obsessed with particle physics? Because the LHC is probably our society's most impressive single product.
Clearly not.

Our obsession with astronomy is much larger -

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/cultu ... escope.jpg
http://www.esacademic.com/pictures/eswi ... ray.02.jpg

[:P]

Our culture is obsessed with physical sciences though. Not as much as with consumerism, but still. They're trying to build a telescope on top of the main mountain in Hawai'i, despite protests from Hawai'ians.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by Ahzoh » Fri 05 Jun 2015, 01:51

I wouldn't say our culture is obsessed with any kind of science...
What about the Aztecs. Didn't they believe they needed to sacrifice someone daily so the sun god would make the sun rise everyday?
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by cntrational » Fri 05 Jun 2015, 05:46

Saying that about the Aztecs is even more laughable.

Sorry, Ahzoh, you won't find a monolithic real life culture, anywhere.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by Ahzoh » Fri 05 Jun 2015, 06:08

cntrational wrote:Saying that about the Aztecs is even more laughable.
Ah, no, they certainly sacrificed a lot of people, maybe monthly. Not laughable.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by Keenir » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:07

Ahzoh wrote:
cntrational wrote:Saying that about the Aztecs is even more laughable.
Ah, no, they certainly sacrificed a lot of people, maybe monthly. Not laughable.
would you rather watch a sacrifice, or stick a stingray stinger through your tongue?

Aztecs saw their sacrifices as needed...ditto a more widespread culture sacrificing one guy millions of times a day.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Keenir » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:32

Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
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shimobaatar wrote:To paraphrase a misquotation, reports of Egyptian funerary customs have been greatly exaggerated.
Pyramids - now there's an Egyptian Funerary custom greatly exaggerated.
I haven't seen the Pyramids up close yet.
I have. they're stunning.

they're also from the earliest corner of the Old Kingdom and only from then. (you want to talk Nubian pyramids, that's another story)

deducing Ancient Egyptian ways from the pyramids alone, would be like deducing American ways from Aaron Burr alone - you'd get a lot right (education for women!), but you'd also get a lot wrong.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Ahzoh » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:36

Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
No, I mean shall, a future intention. Be wary that I like to speak with non-specificity like that one guy from Game of Thrones in the House of Black and White.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Keenir » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:42

Ahzoh wrote:
Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
No, I mean shall, a future intention. Be wary that I like to speak with non-specificity like that one guy from Game of Thrones in the House of Black and White.
but..."shall"...?

are you saying the Pharoahnic culture will return to dominate the world? the Wine-Dark Sea?
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Ahzoh » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:45

Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:
Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
No, I mean shall, a future intention. Be wary that I like to speak with non-specificity like that one guy from Game of Thrones in the House of Black and White.
but..."shall"...?

are you saying the Pharoahnic culture will return to dominate the world? the Wine-Dark Sea?
No, I'm referring to my conculture... but my friend does feel like it will...

Also...
"Who says why can't?" = "Who says why can't [do this]?"
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Keenir » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:57

Ahzoh wrote:
Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:
Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
No, I mean shall, a future intention. Be wary that I like to speak with non-specificity like that one guy from Game of Thrones in the House of Black and White.
but..."shall"...?

are you saying the Pharoahnic culture will return to dominate the world? the Wine-Dark Sea?
No, I'm referring to my conculture... but my friend does feel like it will...

Also...
"Who says why can't?" = "Who says why can't [do this]?"


um..."What is Pro-Drop, Alex, for $400?"

I was pointing out the "shall" being the future tense.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Lambuzhao » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 06:57

Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
Lambuzhao wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:To paraphrase a misquotation, reports of Egyptian funerary customs have been greatly exaggerated.
Pyramids - now there's an Egyptian Funerary custom greatly exaggerated.
I haven't seen the Pyramids up close yet.
I have. they're stunning.

they're also from the earliest corner of the Old Kingdom and only from then. (you want to talk Nubian pyramids, that's another story)

deducing Ancient Egyptian ways from the pyramids alone, would be like deducing American ways from Aaron Burr alone - you'd get a lot right (education for women!), but you'd also get a lot wrong.
Or from Mount Rushmore, for that matter.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Ahzoh » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 07:00

Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:
Keenir wrote:
but..."shall"...?

are you saying the Pharoahnic culture will return to dominate the world? the Wine-Dark Sea?
No, I'm referring to my conculture... but my friend does feel like it will...

Also...
"Who says why can't?" = "Who says why can't [do this]?"


um..."What is Pro-Drop, Alex, for $400?"

I was pointing out the "shall" being the future tense.

Ah, I was responding to someone else who questioned my use of the phrase...

Yes, I'm using "shall" as a future tense regarding my conculture, what about it?
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture

Post by Lambuzhao » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 07:04

Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:
Keenir wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:A culture shall be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting... Who says why can't?
I think you mean A culture can be monolithically focused on one or a few things and still be interesting.
No, I mean shall, a future intention. Be wary that I like to speak with non-specificity like that one guy from Game of Thrones in the House of Black and White.
but..."shall"...?

are you saying the Pharoahnic culture will return to dominate the world? the Wine-Dark Sea?

I wish the Coptic Egyptian culture could just be left in peace. [:S]
Monolithic or not, there have been far too many deaths in Egypt because of difference of culture.
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Re: Death in Ancient Egyptian Culture [split topic]

Post by cntrational » Sat 06 Jun 2015, 09:13

Making a culture that's only focused on one or two things good is very difficult, and takes a lot of experience and skill.

You have neither, Ahzoh.
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