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alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by fruityloops » Thu 18 Oct 2018, 16:36

Dragon's dawn is a bit different from the many settings that use the dragon riders trope. One thing is the setting is more....dare I say, "tribal". not like tribal divisions, like face paint, slightly stone age tech (mixed with more advanced things), etc etc. my only real problem is a find the word "tribal" very questionable. Sure, my tribes aren't based on any real life cultures, but i wanna find less questionable ways to describe my setting to other people.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Creyeditor » Thu 18 Oct 2018, 18:12

Stone Age Fantasy maybe? Otherwise face paint and stone age tech are often an essentialist view of some ethnical groups, I guess.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by elemtilas » Thu 18 Oct 2018, 19:38

Stonepunk is a thing.

"Tribal", I agree, is questionable, but really only because it describes the nature of society. I mean, you literally hear about tribalism in modern Afghanistan in the news. I would argue that street gangs in American suburbia are tribal societies as well.

You seem to be looking for a broader label, and I think Creyeditor is pointing you in the right direction. I mention Stonepunk because it is an actual subgenre label especially because you're hinting at technology or realia that are conceptually beyond what we think we know of actual stone age culture.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Lambuzhao » Sat 20 Oct 2018, 03:59

Rock Stick Bone?

Stone Stick Bone?

In my journal, I've referred to stories/films like The Dark Crystal, as a kind of Rock,Stick & Bone fantasy.

I've also referred to the Dark Ages of my conworld Tirga as the Age of Stone, Stick & Bone.

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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Isfendil » Thu 25 Oct 2018, 02:14

Lambuzhao wrote:
Sat 20 Oct 2018, 03:59
Rock Stick Bone?

Stone Stick Bone?

In my journal, I've referred to stories/films like The Dark Crystal, as a kind of Rock,Stick & Bone fantasy.

I've also referred to the Dark Ages of my conworld Tirga as the Age of Stone, Stick & Bone.

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That's great. I just wanted to comment on how perfect that imagery is.

If the word stone is not elegant enough for you fruity, you can call it Lithic fantasy, after the Lithic [stone] ages.

Alternatively, consider Ochloic fantasy, after one of the greek words for gang or tribe
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by MoonRightRomantic » Fri 02 Nov 2018, 15:44

Stonepunk is an actual subgenre now, along with Bronzepunk and Plaguepunk. And Woodpunk, Ironpunk, Steelpunk, etc.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Lambuzhao » Sat 10 Nov 2018, 06:19

Hmmm… since our technology is based on silicon, are we not already in a sort of "Stonepunk" world?
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by elemtilas » Mon 12 Nov 2018, 22:19

Lambuzhao wrote:
Sat 10 Nov 2018, 06:19
Hmmm… since our technology is based on silicon, are we not already in a sort of "Stonepunk" world?
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Right‽

We've already had a paleolithic and a neolithic.

What comes after neo- in Greek to mark our present stonepunky world?

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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by eldin raigmore » Tue 13 Nov 2018, 01:09

Post-Lithic?
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Lambuzhao » Tue 13 Nov 2018, 04:03

Postlithic
Yes, indeed.

Or:

Metalithic ≊ Postlithic
Hyperlithic 'Above/Beyond Stone'
Electrolithic 'Electric Stone'
Peranlithic 'Beyond Stone'
Perissolithic 'Remarkable/Outré/Uncommon/Odd Stone'

On reflection, Perissolithic might convey more the notion of 'Fantastical Stone (Age)' :wat:
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by elemtilas » Tue 13 Nov 2018, 15:30

Lambuzhao wrote:
Tue 13 Nov 2018, 04:03
Postlithic
Yes, indeed.

Or:

Metalithic ≊ Postlithic
Hyperlithic 'Above/Beyond Stone'
Electrolithic 'Electric Stone'
Peranlithic 'Beyond Stone'
Perissolithic 'Remarkable/Outré/Uncommon/Odd Stone'

On reflection, Perissolithic might convey more the notion of 'Fantastical Stone (Age)' :wat:
Well, computers are pretty fantastical uses of stone!

Perissolithic -- the Extraordinary Stone Age.

And now we've come full circle.

Fifty million years ago, our ancestors got along by beating each other over the head with chunks of silicate rock.

And we were happy for a long, long time, through the long ages of the Protolithic, the Paleolithic, the Mesolithic and the Neolithic.

And then we evolved.

We took to clubbing each other with bronze maces.

And then stabbing each other with iron spears.

And then shooting each other with lead bullets.

And then electrocuting each other with ever higher energies.

And then we evolved.

Anymore we're content to slouch down on davenport and couch and beat each other's digital avatars over the head by means of bits & bytes of silicate rock.

We’ve come full circle; stone age to stone age.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Ahzoh » Wed 14 Nov 2018, 19:40

We’re mostly metal and plastic
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Scytheria » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 12:05

Rightly or wrongly, the word 'tribal' suggests a sort of spear-chucking, constantly warring societal structure in which the main purpose of tribes is to differentiate competitors/enemies (and thus make it vaguely more tolerable when you have to pillage, rape and kill them). A softer word would be 'clan', which does not immediately conjure these images. Consider:

The tribes have come together to fight the walrus-demons - there's some implication that otherwise they'd just be killing each other
The clans have come together to fight the walrus-demons - there's some implication that the clans all belong to some big cultural family and are currently supporting each other

BTW - somebody please write about walrus-demons.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Creyeditor » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 12:30

Scytheria wrote:
Thu 15 Nov 2018, 12:05
Rightly or wrongly, the word 'tribal' suggests a sort of spear-chucking, constantly warring societal structure in which the main purpose of tribes is to differentiate competitors/enemies (and thus make it vaguely more tolerable when you have to pillage, rape and kill them). A softer word would be 'clan', which does not immediately conjure these images.
Wrongly! I thought that was OP's reason for posting this. The word 'tribal' in the sense you described it, is rooted in colonial contexts, where the assumed civilizational inferiority of some people was used as an excuse to invade and enslave them. So it was claimed that it's okay to colonize Papua/Africa/etc because they are just spear-chucking, constantly warring societies that would pillage, rape and kill each other if the Europeans would not pacify them. Which is kind of ironic if we look at European history.
Sorry for sounding mean, I just wanted to stress the point that tribal has two meanings and the stone-age war one is at least not as innocent as one would like it to be as a conworlder. It has some unfortunate implications.

Similarly for clan, there is the more scientific sense in which this is a genalogical unit above the family with a legendary common ancestor. And there is the colloquial meaning, which could be seen as judgemental.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Ahzoh » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 15:31

Scytheria wrote:
Thu 15 Nov 2018, 12:05
BTW - somebody please write about walrus-demons.
The Onschen people in my conlang fight walrus demons and there’s also psychic dolphin demons that hunt people from under the ice.
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Re: alternate ways to say "tribal fantasy"

Post by Ahzoh » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 15:35

Stonepunk is an actual subgenre now, along with Bronzepunk and Plaguepunk. And Woodpunk, Ironpunk, Steelpunk, etc.
Maybe the conworld which Vrkhazh is found in would be an ironpunk world.
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