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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Fluffy8x » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 01:30

Thrice Xandvii wrote:
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...which is a modified Latin alphabet.
No, it's not.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 02:49

Fluffy8x wrote:
Mon 08 Jan 2018, 01:30
No, it's not.
Gonna assume you are being sarcastic... somehow?

Cuz, if you aren't, I just ask you to look in the spoiler:
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The letters in the pink are either Latin letters (or numbers) with no modifications, or very mild modifications like flips, rotations, removal of a dot, adding a line or doubling the letter. The curved shapes in the upper right are either long-s or a j with no dot. The letters in green are just taken whole cloth from other common symbols: zodiac, section breaks, currency, Greek letters, etc. That leaves only 10 other symbols... and one of those is a swastika!

So, tell me again how it isn't modified Latin? Cuz it pretty much is.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Fluffy8x » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 03:38

Thrice Xandvii wrote:
Mon 08 Jan 2018, 02:49
Fluffy8x wrote:
Mon 08 Jan 2018, 01:30
No, it's not.
Gonna assume you are being sarcastic... somehow?

Cuz, if you aren't, I just ask you to look in the spoiler:
Spoiler:
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The letters in the pink are either Latin letters (or numbers) with no modifications, or very mild modifications like flips, rotations, removal of a dot, adding a line or doubling the letter. The curved shapes in the upper right are either long-s or a j with no dot. The letters in green are just taken whole cloth from other common symbols: zodiac, section breaks, currency, Greek letters, etc. That leaves only 10 other symbols... and one of those is a swastika!

So, tell me again how it isn't modified Latin? Cuz it pretty much is.
I think you mean Latin-inspired, then. Some of the letters look like Latin letters, and some of them even match up (<n b h y z l>), but others don't sound like what they look like (<ɑ d µ s o c ə> are pronounced /f p ɹ ʒ w i u/), so I wouldn't consider it a modified Latin script.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Ahzoh » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 03:49

Their phonetic values don't have to match up for it to be considered to a modified Latin alphabet.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 04:30

Ahzoh wrote:
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Their phonetic values don't have to match up for it to be considered to a modified Latin alphabet.
My thoughts precisely. I mean, if that weren't the case then kanji as used in Japanese wouldn't be considered related to Chinese characters because many of them are now pronounced very differently.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by sevenorbs » Sun 14 Jan 2018, 07:41

Is there any proper way to start establishing a neat documentation of script?

So someone asked me for details of my script but I find that I don't even know how to start explaining this. Like, I can list all of the alphabet but I'm not so sure what to tell after that. It's been years of me developing and making changes of my script but shame that I have never considered to make a well explained documentation. Any ideas, since I have never/rarely see script documentation before?
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Sun 14 Jan 2018, 08:21

What kind of script do you have that defies description? It would seem to me that most types should be fairly easy to discuss in generalities, at least...
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by lsd » Sun 14 Jan 2018, 08:50

The descriptions are more synchonic than diachronic...
The functioning of this writing dedicated to this language is interesting, and practical...
Kinships are putative and indicative, and, in terms of constructed languages, a kind of self-celebration...
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Ahzoh » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 10:16

sevenorbs wrote:
Sun 14 Jan 2018, 07:41
Any ideas, since I have never/rarely see script documentation before?
You can take a look at Omniglot for how they describe various writing systems.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 10:27

lsd wrote:
Sun 14 Jan 2018, 08:50
The descriptions are more synchonic than diachronic...
The functioning of this writing dedicated to this language is interesting, and practical...
Kinships are putative and indicative, and, in terms of constructed languages, a kind of self-celebration...
...what does any of this mean in the context of this discussion?
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Ahzoh » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 10:37

It would appear he is giving examples of how to describe the writing system.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by clawgrip » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 15:06

No, it has nothing to do with what's being said. The question was how to describe a script; putative and indicative kinships which are a kind of self-celebration have nothing to do with the question. Unless, of course, this is a reply to some other post, in which case I am mistaken.

Anyway, to answer the question, first, list the base letters and describe their pronunciations and graphical/positional relationships with other letters, if any (if they link together, or if they have initial/final/etc. forms.

Then list the modifying signs, if any, their pronunciations or how they modify the base letters, etc., and how they interact with other letters or signs, etc.

Might I suggest my own description of the Khmer alphabet as an example of an in-depth description of a script?
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by sevenorbs » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 17:09

Thrice Xandvii wrote:
Sun 14 Jan 2018, 08:21
What kind of script do you have that defies description? It would seem to me that most types should be fairly easy to discuss in generalities, at least...
clawgrip wrote:
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Anyway, to answer the question, first, list the base letters and describe their pronunciations and graphical/positional relationships with other letters, if any (if they link together, or if they have initial/final/etc. forms.

Then list the modifying signs, if any, their pronunciations or how they modify the base letters, etc., and how they interact with other letters or signs, etc.

Might I suggest my own description of the Khmer alphabet as an example of an in-depth description of a script?
Well it's fairly easy to tell what it is, but I'm kinda stuck on what to do with all of these alphabet or "how to play this script"-question thing. I'll try to explain what I know:

What I have here is a simple alphabet with a strict stroke order governs on how to write. Because of the stroke order, there's some kind of rules on what may and may not be joined as a single stroke or unified glyph. The alphabet mostly looks similar one another and one could identify what things are by looking the surrounding character or examine what strokes on how is that written. The problem here that I'm not quite sure on how to start making a breakdown of those rules since I intuitively doing this. Well I already noticed that there are some kind of trend/pattern on what and what not, which maybe I'd decide to rigorously look on it later.

That resource you linked is useful, I gotta look for it more.
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Re: Con-Script Development Centre

Post by Rum_Ham » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 17:43

I think you may need to closely look at the rules and figure out the pattern first. If you're doing it intuitively, great, but you'll have a really hard time describing something you only know through intuition.

Can you post a few samples of your script and some characters that can and can't go together?
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