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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by opipik » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 21:59

Spoiler:
f/h/_
C/C²/ˈ_
Z/ːS/_#
z/ɹ/_
[maˈddaːk ˌɛɹəˈɹɹaːht]
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:03

First change: [dd ɹɹ] are now written as [dː ɹː] and [ht] is now written as [ʰt]. Secondary stress is no longer marked.


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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by opipik » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:06

Spoiler:
ː//ːV_
ʰt/sː/_
a/ə/_ˈ
[məˈdːak ɛɹəˈɹːasː]

<My·dóg has·arríved>
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:11

First change: Word-finally, all stops become [ʔ]. [ə] is inserted after a word-final geminate consonant.

Second change: əS, Sə > S̩ / (C,#)_(C,#), where S = any sonorant.


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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by opipik » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:14

Spoiler:
ɹ/j/_
sː/ts/_
jː/ɟʝ/_
ə//_ˈ
[m̩ˈdːaʔ ɛjˈɟʝatsə]

<My·dóg has·arríved>
<M̄ddáʔ eyjássa>
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:14

opipik wrote:
Spoiler:
ː//ːV_
ʰt/sː/_
a/ə/_ˈ
[məˈdːak ɛɹəˈɹːasː]

<My·dóg has·arríved>
Spoiler:
• Collapse of schwas between same consonants
• schwas following sonorants make them syllabic
[ˈḿdːak ɛˈɹːasː]
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:15

Aw, man, two posts late XD
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:23

First change: Sequences of homorganic stops and fricatives of the same voicing are made affricates.

Second change: [ɛj] becomes [eː]. [dː] becomes [d͡ð].


<Mydog hasarrived.>
<Mðáq eejácə.>

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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:36

• syllabic [m] produces default vowel [a] in front
• [eː] > [iː]
• affricates become fricatives

[ˈamða iːˈʒats]
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Creyeditor » Fri 17 Mar 2017, 22:47

Not a single grammar (in the narrow sense) change? Wow.

SV order changes to VS.

<Eejácə mðáq.>

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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by opipik » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:06

Spoiler:
stress shifts to long syllable, if there's no long syllable, then stress the first syllable
ð/l/_
m/b/_[rl]
a -> ə / when unstressed
[ˈiːʒəts ˈablə]
<Ījac abla>

New text!

[ðə ˈnɔɹθ ˌwɪnd ən ə ˈsʌn wɚ dɪsˈpjuɾɪŋ ˈwɪtʃ wəz ðə ˈstɹɑŋɡɚ, wɛn ə ˈtɹævlɚ ˌkem əˈlɑŋ ˈɹæpt ɪn ə ˈwɔɹm ˈkloʊk. ðe əˈɡɹid ðət ðə ˈwʌn hu ˈfɚst səkˈsidəd ɪn ˈmekɪŋ ðə ˈtɹævlɚ ˈtek ɪz ˈkloʊk ˌɑf ʃʊd bi kənˈsɪdɚd ˈstɹɑŋɡɚ ðən ðɪ ˈʌðɚ.]

<The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.>
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Creyeditor » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 22:10

Articles go to the postnominal position.
[ˈnɔɹθ ˌwɪnd ðə ən ˈsʌn ə wɚ dɪsˈpjuɾɪŋ ˈwɪtʃ wəz ˈstɹɑŋɡɚ ðə, wɛn ˈtɹævlɚ ə ˌkem əˈlɑŋ ˈɹæpt ɪn ˈwɔɹm ˈkloʊk ə. ðe əˈɡɹid ðət ˈwʌn ðə hu ˈfɚst səkˈsidəd ɪn ˈmekɪŋ ˈtɹævlɚ ðə ˈtek ɪz ˈkloʊk ˌɑf ʃʊd bi kənˈsɪdɚd ˈstɹɑŋɡɚ ðən ˈʌðɚ ðɪ.]

<North Wind the and Sun the were disputing which was stronger the, when traveler a came along wrapped in warm cloak a.
They agreed that one the who first succeeded in making traveler the take his cloak off should be considered stronger than other the.>
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by opipik » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 22:46

Spoiler:
ɑ/ɔ/_
[æe]/ɛ/_
grammar: past tense is now expressed by been + verb, been is reduced to [bɪn], when there's be + verb.PST, then it's also been + verb, past tense of copula is now invariably [bɪn]
been is written <bin>

[ˈnɔɹθ ˌwɪnd ðə ən ˈsʌn ə bɪn dɪsˈpjuɾɪŋ ˈwɪtʃ wəz ˈstɹɔŋɡɚ ðə, wɛn ˈtɹɛvlɚ ə bɪn ˌkʌm əˈlɔŋ ˈɹɛp ɪn ˈwɔɹm ˈkloʊk ə. ðɛ bɪn əˈɡɹi ðət ˈwʌn ðə hu bɪn ˈfɚst səkˈsid ɪn ˈmɛkɪŋ ˈtɹɛvlɚ ðə ˈtɛk ɪz ˈkloʊk ˌɔf ʃʊd bɪn kənˈsɪdɚ ˈstɹɔŋɡɚ ðən ˈʌðɚ ðɪ.]

<North Wind the and Sun the bin disputing which bin stronger the, when traveler a bin come along wrap in warm cloak a.
They bin agree that one the who bin first succeed in making traveler the take his cloak off should bin consider stronger than other the.>
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » Sun 19 Mar 2017, 00:18

/ˈnɔːswɛndzə jɛn ˈsanzə ˌbɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩ ˈwɛʃ ɔːs ˈtʃangzə, un tʃevləɹə ˈbɛŋkam ˈtweɪə ˈɹɛptɛn ˈklaʊkə waːm.
ˈdɛɪzaː ˈbɛnəˌgɹi da wanzə uːda bɛɱˈfaːs ˌsəkeɪd ɛˈmɛki ˈtʃevləzə ˈtɛːkaːf is ˈklaʊk ʃɛd bɛkˈsɛdaː tʃangə den ˈaːdzə./

The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.


[ɹ] following vowel lengthens it and colors it's quality in sometimes unpredictable ways
[tɹ], [stɹ] > [tʃ]
[ɪ] > [ɛ]
[oʊ] > [aʊ]
the [n] in [bɪn] construction changes orientation with following consonant of verb
most clusters are simplified
jɛn] is an alternative form of [ɛn] from [ən] which is "and", it takes on a [j] at onset when preceding word ends in a vowel
[tweɪə] is from "to here," also used to mean "along"
[ðə] > [zə] ("the") becomes affixed to nouns
[ˈdɛɪzaː] comes from "they there"
[uːda] from "who that"
[ɛˈmɛki] < [ɪzˈmekɪŋ]
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by shimobaatar » Sun 19 Mar 2017, 18:41

Creyeditor wrote:Not a single grammar (in the narrow sense) change? Wow.
To be fair, it gets harder and harder to make "grammatical" changes the longer we stay on one text and the shorter the text is to begin with.

First change: Instances of the copula are deleted.

Second change: Possessive adjectives now follow the nouns they modify.


<The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.>

<NorthWindthe and Sunthe bindisputing which strongerthe, when travelera bincome tohere wrapin cloaka warm.
Theythere binagree that onethe whothat binfirst succeed inmaking travelerthe takeoff cloak his should binconsider stronger than otherthe.>

/ˈnɔːswɛndzə jɛn ˈsanzə ˌbɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩ ˈwɛʃ ˈtʃangzə, un tʃevləɹə ˈbɛŋkam ˈtweɪə ˈɹɛptɛn ˈklaʊkə waːm.
ˈdɛɪzaː ˈbɛnəˌgɹi da wanzə uːda bɛɱˈfaːs ˌsəkeɪd ɛˈmɛki ˈtʃevləzə ˈtɛːkaːf ˈklaʊk is ʃɛd bɛkˈsɛdaː tʃangə den ˈaːdzə./
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by xroox » Thu 23 Mar 2017, 18:04

Spoiler:
When becomes an enclitic to the first clause.
A plosive is inserted between a nasal and a friccative, with same voicing and point.
l→j/C_V
Possesive pronouns become suffixes
<The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.>

<NorthWindthe and Sunthe bindisputing which strongerthewhen, travelera bincome tohere wrapin cloaka warm.
Theythere binagree that onethe whothat binfirst succeed inmaking travelerthe takeoff cloakhis should binconsider stronger than otherthe.>

/ˈnɔːswɛndzə jɛn ˈsandzə ˌbɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩ ˈwɛʃ ˈtʃangzun, tʃevjəɹə ˈbɛŋkam ˈtweɪə ˈɹɛptɛn ˈkjaʊkə waːm.
ˈdɛɪzaː ˈbɛnəˌgɹi da wandzə uːda bɛmˈpfaːs ˌsəkeɪd ɛˈmɛki ˈtʃevjəzə ˈtɛːkaːf ˈkjaʊkis ʃɛd bɛkˈsɛdaː tʃangə den ˈaːdzə./
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 24 Mar 2017, 00:26

First change: Stops followed by homorganic fricatives that agree with them in voicing are explicitly marked as affricates. Non-syllabic vowels are marked. Nasals assimilate in point of articulation to following stops.

Second change: Conjunctions connecting multiple nouns/noun phrases now follow the final noun phrase being connected.


<The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.>

<NorthWindthe Sunthe and bindisputing which strongerthewhen, travelera bincome tohere wrapin cloaka warm.
Theythere binagree that onethe whothat binfirst succeed inmaking travelerthe takeoff cloakhis should binconsider stronger than otherthe.>

/ˈnɔːswɛnd͡zə ˈsand͡zə jɛn ˌbɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩ ˈwɛʃ ˈt͡ʃaŋgzun, t͡ʃevjəɹə ˈbɛŋkam ˈtweɪ̯ə ˈɹɛptɛn ˈkjaʊ̯kə waːm.
ˈdɛɪ̯zaː ˈbɛnəˌgɹi da wand͡zə uːda bɛmˈp͡faːs ˌsəkeɪ̯d ɛˈmɛki ˈt͡ʃevjəzə ˈtɛːkaːf ˈkjaʊ̯kis ʃɛd bɛkˈsɛdaː t͡ʃaŋgə den ˈaːd͡zə./
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by qwed117 » Mon 05 Jun 2017, 01:19

NECRO


<NorthWindthe Sunthe and bindisputing which strongerthewhen, travelera bincome tohere wrapin cloaka warm.
Theythere binagree that onethe whothat binfirst succeed inmaking travelerthe takeoff cloakhis should binconsider stronger than otherthe.>

/ˈnɔːswɛnd͡zə ˈsand͡zə jɛn ˌbɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩ ˈwɛʃ ˈt͡ʃaŋgzun, t͡ʃevjəɹə ˈbɛŋkam ˈtweɪ̯ə ˈɹɛptɛn ˈkjaʊ̯kə waːm.
ˈdɛɪ̯zaː ˈbɛnəˌgɹi da wand͡zə uːda bɛmˈp͡faːs ˌsəkeɪ̯d ɛˈmɛki ˈt͡ʃevjəzə ˈtɛːkaːf ˈkjaʊ̯kis ʃɛd bɛkˈsɛdaː t͡ʃaŋgə den ˈaːd͡zə./


First change: Old determiner is eroded into an accusative case declension. A new definite determiner from "that" + "self" (zasɪlf) appears. Indefinite determiner "one" (wa) appears. Other determiners are prefixed again

Second change: the postpositional "and" is lost, and instead, the word "again" (agin) becomes the new bipositive conjunction, and is transfixed

<Thatself NorthWind again thatself Sun bindisputing which zasɪlf strongerthe when, one traveler bincome tohere wrapin one cloakthe warm.
Theythere binagree that the one whothat binfirst succeed inmaking thatself travelerthe takeoff his cloakthe should binconsider stronger than thatself otherthe.>

/zasɪlf ˈnɔːswɛn agɪn zasɪlf ˈsan bɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩ ˈwɛʃ zasɪlf ˈt͡ʃaŋgz un, wa t͡ʃevjəɹ ˈbɛŋkam ˈtweɪ̯ə ˈɹɛptɛn wa ˈkjaʊ̯ks waːm.
ˈdɛɪ̯zaː ˈbɛnəˌgɹi da wan uːda bɛmˈp͡faːs ˌsəkeɪ̯d ɛˈmɛki zasɪlf ˈt͡ʃevjəz ˈtɛːkaːf ˈhis kjaʊ̯ks ʃɛd bɛkˈsɛdaː t͡ʃaŋgə den zasɪlf ˈaːd͡zə./
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » Mon 05 Jun 2017, 21:10

zɛl ˈnoːson gɛn ˈsaʊn bɾɛˈpuʔan ˈoʃ oz t͡ʃaːŋaː , on wa ˈt͡ʃɛːjaː ˈbiːkam ˈtwɛj ˈɹɛpt ɛːwa ˈkjaːks waːm.
ˈdezaː ˈbɛːŋɛˌɹi dazɛl wa uːda bɛːˈfaːs skeːd ˈmiki zɛl ˈt͡ʃɛːjaː ˈtɛːkaːf ˈiːs ˈkjaːks ʃɛd bɛˈsɛdaː t͡ʃaːŋaː den zɛl ˈaːz(a).


The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.


Biggest changes: no medial clusters of any kind
most schwas get deleted
the definite determiner /zaˈsɪlf/ gets compressed into /zɛl/
ɾ is an allophone of [d] when attatched to plosives (as shown in the evolution of /bɛndɛsˈpuʔn̩/ > /bɾɛˈpuʔan/
syllabic consonants have epenthetic [a] to break up awkward clusters
many vowels are lengthened to accomodate for dissolving clusters
ɛn+wa > **ɛnwa > ɛːwa "in a"
ɛn+zɛl > **ɛnzɛl > ɛːzɛl "in the"
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Re: Game: Let's Reform English Grammar

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 00:53

First change: /aʊ ɛj# uʔa/ > /ɔ ɛː oː/, /ˈoː ˈaː ˈɛː ˈiː ˈeː ˈuː/ > /ˈu ˈɛ ˈe ˈaɪ̯ ˈi ˈaʊ̯/, /oː aː ɛː iː eː uː/ > /o a ɛ i e u/

Second change: Main verbs now precede their subjects. Verbs in relative clauses remain as they are.



<The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.>

<Bdêpun zêl Nuson gên zêl Sôn osh zêl chênga, on baykam wa cheya twe rêpt ewa kyêx wêm.
Bengêri deza da shêd zêl wa awda bêfês skid miki tekaf zêl cheya ays kyêx bêsêda chênga den zêl êza.>

/bɾɛˈpun zɛl ˈnuson gɛn zɛl sɔn oʃ zɛl ˈt͡ʃɛŋa, on ˈbaɪ̯kam wa ˈt͡ʃeja twe ɹɛpt ˈewa kjɛks wɛm.
ˈbeŋɛɹi ˈdeza da ʃɛd zɛl wa ˈaʊ̯da bɛˈfɛs skid ˈmiki ˈtekaf zɛl ˈt͡ʃeja aɪ̯s kjɛks bɛˈsɛda ˈt͡ʃɛŋa den zɛl ˈɛza./
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