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Animals derived game

Post by holbuzvala » Wed 29 Mar 2017, 12:22

Hi All,

Can you think of any natlangs in which animals have names derived from other words, as opposed to being unplittable roots themselves? Like the Russian медведь, which come from 'honey' and 'eat'.

And if NOT, what might be some fun ones? Maybe 'flower-sit' for butterfly, or 'dead-eat' for maggot. You (we) would probably have to think up what the 'primary characteristics' of a given animal was, and work from there.

I suggest that one person proposes an animal, and the next in the chain suggests a derivation for it while proposing the next animal. Let's start with 'cat'. (simpler animals first please!)
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P.S. In my current lang (working title 'Ozvlo'), there is a set form for animate subjects of adjectives and instransitive verbs. So we might have:
dog = animate.LOYAL
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Post by k1234567890y » Wed 29 Mar 2017, 21:05

I think there were some in PIE and ancient Gemranic languages...Actually, I wonder if it is actually a norm for animal names be derived regularly from verbs or compounds of words whose literal meanings have nothing to do with animals and the use of unplittable roots for animals might actually be onomatopoeia(e.g. use the calling of the animals as the name of them), loanwords or might actually be older words whose roots are no longer identifiable because of linguistic changes. This phenomenon does not only occur in animal names, but in a variety of nouns(and exists in English, too, for example, "Morning Glory" is a name for a kind of flowe).

An example is English "dog", which is from Old English docga, which is derived from Old English *docce "muscle"

English "duck" is from Old English duce, dūce (“duck”, literally “dipper, diver, ducker”), which is from Old English *dūcan (“to dip, dive, duck”) and is thus connected to the verb "to duck"

English "spider" is from Proto-Germanic *spinþrô (“spider", literally, "spinner”) and is ultimately connected to the verb "to spin"

English "bear" is from Proto-Germanic *berô , which might be from Proto-Indo-European *bʰer- (“brown, shining”)(and like the Slavic languages, Proto-Germanic language used the word because of euphemism).

Proto-Germanic *fuglaz "bird"(which is the ancestor of English fowl, Standard German Vogel) is from possibly a dissimilated variant of *fluglaz, from *fleuganą "to fly"(*fleuganą is the ancestor of English "to fly"), and the name of another animal is also from the root *fleuganą, which is *fleugǭ "fly(insect)"(*fleugǭ is the ancestor of English "fly(insect)"

English "Centipede" and "Millipede" are ultimately from Latin centi- (“hundred”) + pes (“foot”) and Latin mille (“thousand”) + pedis (“foot”) respectively.

English "sole" is from Latin solea (“sandal, bottom of the shoe”), which gained the meaning "a kind of fish" during Vulgar Latin times before the word was borrowed into English.

Outside of Indo-European languages, in Manchu, the word for "bee" is hibsu ejen, which literally means "lord of honey"

In Japanese, the word for starfish can literally be intepreted as "person-hand"; in Chinese and Standard German, the word for starfish can literally be intepreted as "sea star"
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Re: Animals derived game

Post by Creyeditor » Wed 29 Mar 2017, 21:20

Cat: tiger.DIM

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Post by k1234567890y » Wed 29 Mar 2017, 21:22

(I was wromg with what he/she intended...)

rat = gnaw.AGENT

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by gestaltist » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 08:31

sole(fish) = flatbread-fish

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by holbuzvala » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 09:39

Kangaroo = jump-pocket; OR belly-bag

Next is 'badger'
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Re: Animals derived game

Post by sangi39 » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 11:19

holbuzvala wrote:Kangaroo = jump-pocket; OR belly-bag

Next is 'badger'
"grave-digger" (where the word "grave" originally just meant "hole" or "burrow" but gained the meaning "grave" over time, and the derivation in "grave-digger" is still transparent [:P])

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by CMunk » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 12:15

Chameleon = scale-monkey

This language could derive a lot of lizards names from a mammal with the word for (fish-)scale prefixed, e.g. lacertidae = scale-mouse, bearded dragon = scale-lion, iguana = scale-horse

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by Salmoneus » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 13:09

holbuzvala wrote:
And if NOT, what might be some fun ones? Maybe 'flower-sit' for butterfly, or 'dead-eat' for maggot. You (we) would probably have to think up what the 'primary characteristics' of a given animal was, and work from there.
In English, the word for butterflies comes from the words "butter" and "fly". Probably so called because of the colour of their excrement.

I don't know what colour a chameleon's excrement is, though, so that might not help much as a model.
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Re: Animals derived game

Post by sangi39 » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 13:16

Salmoneus wrote:
holbuzvala wrote:
And if NOT, what might be some fun ones? Maybe 'flower-sit' for butterfly, or 'dead-eat' for maggot. You (we) would probably have to think up what the 'primary characteristics' of a given animal was, and work from there.
In English, the word for butterflies comes from the words "butter" and "fly". Probably so called because of the colour of their excrement.

I don't know what colour a chameleon's excrement is, though, so that might not help much as a model.
If it's anything like a bearded dragon's it'll be brown an white. Kind of like bird poo.
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Post by CMunk » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 14:57

The reason I chose mole as the next word is that in Danish it is called :dan: muldvarp which is derived from the words for soil and throw. Apparently a :gbr: mole was once called a :gbr: mouldwarp.
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Re: Animals derived game

Post by gestaltist » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 16:06

CMunk wrote: Next: Mole
burrow-rat

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by holbuzvala » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 18:08

I love the ideas of the 'scaley' prefix, and for badger as gravedigger. (Does anyone smell a conlang children's book on the horizon?)

Horse: long-face OR plains-runner

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Post by sangi39 » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 18:13

holbuzvala wrote:I love the ideas of the 'scaley' prefix, and for badger as gravedigger. (Does anyone smell a conlang children's book on the horizon?)
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Re: Animals derived game

Post by shimobaatar » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 20:52

k1234567890y wrote: Outside of Indo-European languages, in Manchu, the word for "bee" is hibsu ejen, which literally means "lord of honey"
Sweet.

cow = beast + mother

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by holbuzvala » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 21:12

koala = sleepy-leaf-eater (or, later as simply 'sleepy-leaf')

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Re: Animals derived game

Post by All4Ɇn » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 21:21

Sparrow = rat-bird

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Post by k1234567890y » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 21:39

Nile Crocodile = long-mouth in Nile

Crocodile = long-mouth

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Post by All4Ɇn » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 21:45

Shark = sea-bear

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Post by k1234567890y » Thu 30 Mar 2017, 22:05

Gorilla = mock-man.AUG

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