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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by qwed117 » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 00:59

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Stop making so many pretty langs. You're leaving no room for the rest of us. [:P]

Just to clarify, that's a joke, I love Onh Vu, and the way you're making it
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 16:53

qwed117 wrote: [<3] [<3] [<3] [<3] [<3] [<3]
Stop making so many pretty langs. You're leaving no room for the rest of us. [:P]

Just to clarify, that's a joke, I love Onh Vu, and the way you're making it
Thanks so much [:D]. If you have anything you want to see let me know [:)]
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Tue 17 Oct 2017, 03:58

Just a little update on something I thought was really cool. The Ởnh·Vú word for an army tank is now 槍龜 (Tánh·Cở) which not only sounds quite a bit like French "tank" but also literally translates to gun-turtle, which I think is a pretty apt description of a tank [:)]
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by Porphyrogenitos » Thu 19 Oct 2017, 04:44

Okay, I've been browsing through this thread, and wow! What a cool and detailed language you've created here!

Both the Han-based and Latin scripts are really nice. The Latin script really does look like something that might have been made by some people who were friends with the missionaries who designed the Vietnamese alphabet.

I saw that you have a whole scheme of sound changes laid out for the history of Ởnh·Vú. What stage of Chamic did it evolve from? And where did you get your info on the grammar/vocabulary/phonology of Proto-Chamic or whichever stage you used?

And lastly, how did you go about creating your custom Han characters?

I ask partially because this might inspire me to revisit an I idea I had previously - to make a language characterized by the use of generic nouns and specific nouns, a structure found in many Australian languages and thought to be a possible stage of grammaticalization preceding nominal classifiers. I had originally envisioned a somewhat Australian-like language, but I realized it might be fun to place in a SE Asia/Sinosphere context.
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Thu 19 Oct 2017, 21:43

Porphyrogenitos wrote:Okay, I've been browsing through this thread, and wow! What a cool and detailed language you've created here!

Both the Han-based and Latin scripts are really nice. The Latin script really does look like something that might have been made by some people who were friends with the missionaries who designed the Vietnamese alphabet.
Thanks! I'm really proud of the script [:D]
Porphyrogenitos wrote:I saw that you have a whole scheme of sound changes laid out for the history of Ởnh·Vú. What stage of Chamic did it evolve from? And where did you get your info on the grammar/vocabulary/phonology of Proto-Chamic or whichever stage you used?
It's its own branch Chamic. Everything I've been using on Proto-Chamic grammar/vocab/phonology comes from the University of Hawaii Press's From Ancient Cham to Modern Dialects.
Porphyrogenitos wrote:And lastly, how did you go about creating your custom Han characters?

I ask partially because this might inspire me to revisit an I idea I had previously - to make a language characterized by the use of generic nouns and specific nouns, a structure found in many Australian languages and thought to be a possible stage of grammaticalization preceding nominal classifiers. I had originally envisioned a somewhat Australian-like language, but I realized it might be fun to place in a SE Asia/Sinosphere context.
Sadly, none of the characters are custom made so I can't really help you with that [:S] . All of the non-traditional characters are Vietnamese Chữ Nôm and are available in unicode. But if you can figure out how to make new ones I would absolutely love to see that!
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Fri 20 Oct 2017, 00:35

All4Ɇn wrote:Sadly, none of the characters are custom made so I can't really help you with that [:S] . All of the non-traditional characters are Vietnamese Chữ Nôm and are available in unicode. But if you can figure out how to make new ones I would absolutely love to see that!
As for that last point, I think it would be a matter of selecting some Chinese/Chữ Nôm/Kanji characters and using a program like Photoshop or something similar to chew them up into their constituent parts and then sew them back together again to make unique combinations. Then, you'd either have to upload each as it's own file, or use a program that can make fonts to put them into some area of empty space in Unicode or what have you so that you could use it. The first part of that is something I have a great deal of experience with (that's essentially how I create characters for Vingdagese except I use a PDF with Tangut characters as my base). It's that second part that I have nothing helpful to add.
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Sun 22 Oct 2017, 23:33

Some Interesting Character Pronunciations
Thought I'd cover some of the characters with very different pronunciations, most of them having an irregular pronunciation in only one word.

魔- Á/Mư
魔穌 (Á·To)- Ghost
魔女 (Mư·Vú)- Witch
魔道 (Mư·Đáo)- Hell/Underworld
魔王 (Mư·Hưnh)- The Devil

移- Bu/Y
移𨼚 (Bu·Ꞗe)- Caprid
轉移 (Trúin·Y)- To Transfer/Metastasize
移民 (Y·Min) To Immigrate or Immigrant
移動 (Y·Đúnh)- To Move (From One Semipermanent Location To Another)

暴- Ꞗủ/Buc
師暴 (Ri·Ꞗủ)- Storm
暴怒 (Buc·Núo)- Rage/Fury
暴動 (Buc·Đúnh)- Riot
暴力 (Buc·Lưc)- Violence

串- Đãnh/Cõn
串 (Đãnh)- Skewer
串 (Cõn)- Counter For Skewers And Items Put On A Pole Or Strung Up On Something (E.G: Balloons)

霧- Dứr/Mừo
霧 (Dứr)- Fog/Foam (In A Drink)
煙霧 (En·Mừo)- Smog
噴霧 (Pữn·Mừo)- To Atomize/Nebulize

克- Gám/Kéc
克 (Gám)- Gram
釐克 (Lư·Gám)- Centigram
克服 (Kéc·Buc)- To Overcome/Conquer/Surmount
克己 (Kéc·Cứ)- To Restrain Oneself/Control One's Desires

哈- Hớip/Sảm/Sa
哈 (Hớip)- To Yawn
哈 (Sảm)- To Be Hollow/Sunken
哈吸 (Sa·Rip)- To Sip/Slurp/Suck In

璃- Lic/Li
玻璃 (Pá·Lic)- Crystal
𩇢璃 (Gio·Li)- Lapis Lazuli
烏璃腓 (O·Li·Ꞗơ)- Olive

升- Lít/Xưnh
升 (Lít)- Litre
釐升 (Lư·Lít)- Centilitre
升級 (Xưnh·Ghip)- Sheng Ji

得- Mat/Tec
得 (Mat)- To Get/Obtain/Receive
獲得 (Véc·Tec)- To Acquire
得道 (Tec·Đáo)- To Become Enlightened

吏- Mãy/Lừ
吏 (Mãy)- To Come
税關吏 (Xờy·Gưn·Lừ)- Customs Officer

米- Mè/Mét
米西 (Mè·Xí)- Thank You
米 (Mét)- Meter
釐米 (Lư·Mét)- Centimeter

乃- Ơm/Mí
乃 (Ơm)- To Be Last/Previous/Most Recent
乃晚 (Ơm·Mứn)- Two Nights Ago
木乃伊 (Mu·Mí·Y)- Mummy

食- Rừ/Giưc
食 (Rừ)- To Feed Oneself/Eat Without Help
食用 (Giưc·Yừonh)- To Be Edible
日食 (Nit·Giưc)- Solar Eclipse

啞- Sỏ/Ã
啞 (Sỏ)- To Be Dumb/Stupid/Moronic
啞 (Ã)- To Be Mute
啞馬 (÷Má)- Dumbass/Moron
啞神經 (÷Gin·Kenh)- Nut Job/Crazy Person

桃- Tó/Đao
桃 (Tó)- Peach
桃花 (Đao·Ứ)- Peach Blossom

蛛- Vay/Cu/Tro
蛛 (Vay)- Spider
蛛䖡 (Cu·Tõc)- Grasshopper
蜘蛛 (Te·Tro)- Arachnid

木- Vuc/Mo
木 (Vuc)- Tree/Wood/Lumber
木曜 (Vuc·Yè)- Thursday
木乃伊 (Mo·Mí·Y)- Mummy

神- Yảnh/Yãnh/Gin
神 (Yảnh)- God/Deity/Spirit
神 (Yãnh)- Counter For Gods, Holy People, And Weather Phenomena
神話 (Gin·Vày)- Myth/Legend
死神 (Sí·Gin)- Death/Grim Reaper

吸- Yùp/Íp/Rip
吸 (Yùp)- To Smoke (A Cigarette Etc.)
哈吸 (Sa·Rip)- To Sip/Slurp/Suck In
吸收 (Íp·Xu)- To Absorb/Assimilate

稅- Yư/Xờy
稅 (Yư)- Taxes/To Pay Taxes
稅收 (Xờy·Xu)- To Tax
免稅 (Mén·Xờy)- To Evade Taxes

傭- Yưonh/Trónh
傭兵 (Yưonh·Bưnh)- Mercenary
女傭 (Vú·Trónh)- Maidservant/Maid
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 23 Oct 2017, 21:16

丐 (Cà/Cày) vs. 个 (Cà)
Although both of these are pronounced the same, originate from the same source, and are used in very similar situations, Ởnh·Vú maintains a very specific distinction between these two common characters.


-Used as a phonetic character for the sound Cà
-Occurs in the word 乞丐 (Cứt·Cày) meaning Beggar; sole usage of the pronunciation Cày
-Used alongside native numbers as the counter for any word that doesn’t have a more specific counter or whose counter is unknown to the speaker


-Occurs in the phrase 多个年 (Ta·Cà·Nen) meaning Many Years/A Long Time
-Used alongside Chinese numbers in the following 8 counters:
个𣇞 (Cà·Đrả)- Counter for hours as a length of time
个杯 (Cà·Puy)- Counter for cups/glasses of drinks
个國 (Cà·Quoc)- Counter for countries
个仔 (Cà·Tứ)- Counter for children in reporting and legal situations
个𣎃 (Cà·Van)- Counter for months
个語 (Cà·Vú)- Counter for languages
个屍 (Cà·Xi)- Counter for corpses/dead bodies
个數 (Cà·Xò)- Counter for numbers
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Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 27 Nov 2017, 01:57

Please
Ởnh·Vú has a number of different expressions for please based on whether it's followed by a verb or noun and on the level of formality

With Verbs:
嗔 (Đũ)- Used on signs and when speaking on behalf of a company
伵嗔 (Hũnh Đũ)- Formal
倅嗔 (Cư Đũ)- Informal

With Nouns:
𤴓伵嗔 (Dõc Hũnh Đũ)- Formal
𤴓倅嗔 (Dõc Cư Đũ)- Informal
𤴓喂 (Dõc Yờ)- Informal with close friends and family
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Wed 20 Dec 2017, 18:14

If people are interested I could cover the various names for animals and classification for them. It might take awhile to cover it all but I think it's one of the more interesting things about Ởnh·Vú [:D]
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Post by Frislander » Wed 20 Dec 2017, 19:21

Go ahead!
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Post by All4Ɇn » Thu 21 Dec 2017, 04:58

Thought this would be a good place to start off!

Scientific Classification for Animal Names in Ởnh·Vú

門 (Mưn)- Phylum
Phylum names are formed by taking a Sinic compound referring to the group followed by 門. Most phylum names are pretty obscure words such as:
軟體動物門 (Núin·Téy·Đúnh·Vut·Mưn)- Mollusca/Mollusks
脊索動物門 (Tec·Sac·Đúnh·Vut·Mưn)- Chordata/Chordates


綱 (Canh)- Class
Many are just the Ởnh·Vú name for the animal group in question followed by 爻 (Lìo) but some names are based on Sinic terms and are thus fairly obscure. One Sinic based class name is fairly well-known to speakers however:
鳥爻 (Téo·Lìo)- Aves/Birds


科 (Cá)- Family
Almost always the Ởnh·Vú name for the group followed by 科. The few that use a Sinic based family name are shown below. All of them except for 雉科 I’d say are about as familiar to speakers as something like bovine or pachyderm would be to an English speaker
雉科 (Đrí·Cá)- Phasianidae
象科 (Giánh·Cá)- Elephantidae/Elephants
熊科 (Hưnh·Cá)- Ursidae/Bears
鹿科 (Luc·Cá)- Cervidae/Deers
馬科 (Má·Cá)- Equidae/Horses
牛科 (Nu·Cá)- Bovidae/Bovids
豬科 (Tru·Cá)- Suidae/Pigs


目 (Muc)/屬 (Gioc)/種 (Chónh)- Order/Genus/Species
Basically always the Ởnh·Vú name for the group/animal followed by the corresponding group name (目/屬/種). The scientific name for an animal species consists solely of its Ởnh·Vú name followed by 種. Of course in common speech the 種 is almost never encountered. As of right now, there are only 3 terms in these groups to use a Sinic compound
智人種 (Trè·Nin·Chónh)- Homo Sapiens
雁屬 (Vàn·Gioc)- Anser/Grey Geese
羊屬 (Yưnh·Gioc)- Ovis/Sheep


爻 (Lìo)- Miscellaneous Groupings
Other groupings for animals (usually based on outdated scientific groups) use the Ởnh·Vú name for the group followed by 爻. Really the only one that uses a Sinic compound in its name is the fairly well known one below:
魚爻 (Vu·Lìo)- Pisces/Fish
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Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 25 Dec 2017, 19:39

Well I definitely just got a Christmas present on this site. Turns out the updated forum layout supports Chu Nom! [:D] My posts will look a lot nicer from now on. Maybe when I have the time I'll go back and fix the rest [:)]
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 25 Dec 2017, 19:46

哺乳類 (Bùo·Nó·Lìo)- Mammals
Rather than group them based on biology, I figured I'd use groups that are easier for categorization

Dogs, Etc.
㹥 (So)- Dog
𣭛㹥 (Bur·So)- Hyena (literally Mane Dog)
狸 (Lư)- Racoon Dog
𤞺 (Mã)- (Red) Fox
獪 (Rảy)- Wolf/Dhole

Cats
猫 (Mưo)- Cat
豹 (Bào)- Leopard
雲豹 (Hun·Bào)- Clouded Leopard
獵豹 (Lep·Bào)- Cheetah
美豹 (Mí·Bào)- Jaguar (literally American Leopard)
獅唵 (Ri·Onh)- Lion
美獅唵 (Mí·Ri·Onh)- Cougar/Puma/Panther/Mountain Lion (literally American Lion)
𤜯𤞻 (Ri·Mõnh)- Tiger

Bears, Weasels, Etc.
哥褠 (Ca·Kho)- (Sun) Bear
月哥褠 (Nưt·Ca·Kho)- Asiatic Black Bear (literally Moon Bear)
北極熊 (Pơc·Gưc·Hưnh)- Polar Bear
䓡𤞺 (Tả·Mã)- (Red) Panda (literally Bamboo Fox)
大䓡𤞺 (Đày·Tả·Mã)- Giant Panda
美䓡𤞺 (Mí·Tả·Mã)- (North American) Raccoon (literally American Panda)
㹠ヌ (Mã·Mã)- Weasel
葷㹠 (Cữ·Mã)- Skunk (literally Stink Weasel)
㹥㹠 (So·Mã)- Badger (literally Dog Weasel)
移𤠹 (Bu·Hay)- (European) Otter
海象 (Hứy·Giánh)- Walrus
海𤞺 (Hứy·Mã)- Seal (literally Sea Fox)
海獅 (Hứy·Ri)- Sea Lion/Fur Seal/Eared Seal

Rodents, Etc.
𤝞 (Chỏ)- Rat/Mouse
𡂅𤝞 (Ãonh·Chỏ)- (Short-Tailed) Gymnure (literally Snout Rat)
瞙𤝞 (Bum·Chỏ)- Mole (literally Blind Rat)
哥㺝𤝞 (Ca·Sữr·Chỏ)- Hedgehog (literally Porcupine Rat)
䋃𤝞 (Đrã·Chỏ)- Shrew (literally Fast Rat)
貪𤝞 (Ham·Chỏ)- Hamster (literally Greedy Rat)
哥㺝 (Ca·Sữr)- (Malayan) Porcupine
海狸 (Hứy·Lư)- Beaver
搠 (Sỏc)- Squirrel
𠖤搠 (Pơr·Sỏc)- Flying Squirrel/Sugar Glider
兎 (Tãy)- Rabbit/Hare/Bunny

Primates
𤠲 (Sả)- Monkey/Ape/Primate/Rhesus Macaque
𤞺𤠲 (Mã·Sả)- Lemur (literally Fox Monkey)
猿 (Cưnh)- Gibbon
狒ヌ (Bừy·Bừy)- Baboon
𤠳師羅 (Go·Ri·La)- Gorilla
猩ヌ (Ranh·Ranh)- Orangutan
黑猩ヌ (Hơc·Ranh·Ranh)- Chimpanzee (literally Black Orangutan)

Artiodactyla
移𨼚 (Bu·Ꞗe)- Caprid/Goat/Sheep/Antelope
裘移𨼚 (Gu·Bu·Ꞗe)- Caprid Known For Its Wool (Such as a Cashmere Goat, Angora Goat, Domestic Sheep, Musk Ox, or Tibetan Antelope)
㺏 (Cão)- (Water) Buffalo
大鹿 (Đày·Luc)- Moose
馴鹿 (Ruin·Luc)- Reindeer
麂 (Giữr)- Muntjac/Barking Deer
麒麟 (Gư·Lin)- Giraffe
羅馬獸 (La·Má·Đrí)- Llama (literally Roman Beast)
駱駝 (Lac·Đa)- Camel
羊駱駝 (Yưnh·Lac·Đa)- Alpaca (literally Sheep Camel)
圃 (Láo)- Cow/Bull/Ox/Cattle
𡼹圃 (Gay·Láo)- Bison (literally Forest Cattle)
犛圃 (Vao·Láo)- Yak (literally Yak Cattle)
㹯𠬠 (Ru·Sa)- (Sambar) Deer

Perissodactyla, Elephants, Etc.
馭戺 (A·Xĩ)- Horse
𢒞馭戺 (Buy·A·Xĩ)- Zebra (literally Stripe Horse)
𤞼 (Bũy)- Pig
𤞼𩵜 (Bũy·Yãnh)- Dolphin/Porpoise (literally Pig Fish)
妖𤞼 (Ờ·Bũy)- (Malayan) Tapir (literally Goblin Pig)
河馬 (Ha·Má)- Hippopotamus
海猪 (Hứy·Tru)- Manatee (literally Sea Pig)
土猪 (Túo·Tru)- Aardvark (literally Earth Pig)
海牛 (Hứy·Nu)- Dugong (literally Sea Cow)
㺔 (Lãnh)- (Asian) Elephant
驢 (Lu)- Donkey/Ass
騾馭 (Lu·A)- Mule
犀 (Rã)- Rhinoceros
神𩵜 (Yảnh·Yãnh)- (Killer) Whale (literally God Fish)

Miscellaneous
鴨㖼獸 (÷Tũch·Đrí)- Platypus (literally Duck Bill Beast)
咹蜆𥦝獸 (Bơnh·Si·Dơm·Đrí)- Anteater (literally Ant Eating Beast)
*犀獸 (Cã·Đrí)- (Chinese) Pangolin (literally Scale Beast)
針獸 (Giáom·Đrí)- Echidna (literally Needle Beast)
𪀄𤝞 (Chim·Chỏ)- Kangaroo (literally Bird Rat)
㹠𤝞 (Mã·Chỏ)- Opossum/Possum (literally Weasel Rat)
猚 (Chủ)- Bat
壯下羅 (Có·Á·La)- Koala
𠖤𤞺 (Pơr·Mã)- (Sunda) Flying Lemur/Colugo (literally Flying Fox)
犰狳 (Tà·Tú)- Armadillo

*The use of rhinoceros’ character 犀 is borrowed from Vietnamese. In all other words, scale is spelled with the character 𩷛
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Thu 28 Dec 2017, 03:34

鳥類 (Téo·Lìo)- Birds
Birds Of Prey
䳧 (Cãnh)- Hawk
大䳧 (Đày·Cãnh)- Eagle (literally Big Hawk)
海䳧 (Hứy·Cãnh)- (Peregrine) Falcon (literally Sea Hawk)
鴝 (Cu)- (Brown Fish) Owl
魔鴝 (Mư·Cu)- Barn Owl (literally Ghost Owl)
妖鴝 (Ờ·Cu)- Spot-Bellied Eagle Owl (literally Goblin Owl)
鳶 (Đrãnh)- (Black) Kite
𨪝 (Ghec)- Vulture

Aquatic Birds
鴨 (Ã)- Duck
匙鴨 (Ãc·Ã)- Spoonbill (literally Spoon Duck)
癲鴨 (Ten·Ã)- Booby (literally Rabid Duck)
𪇌 (Ãic)- Pelican
易 (Ꞗưc)- Heron/Egret
鸜 (Cưc)- Stork
𩇢𩵜筅 (Gio·Yãnh·Sả)- (Common) Kingfisher (literally Green Fish Arrow)
鶮 (Hac)- Crane
沼鶴 (Chớ·Hac)- Ibis (literally Swamp Crane)
鸕 (Hứm)- Cormorant
𤞒𪀄 (Na·Chim)- Wild Goose (literally Goose Bird)
家𤞒 (Ga·Na)- Domestic Goose (literally House Goose)
天𤞒 (Tén·Na)- Swan (literally Heaven Goose)
鷖 (Pãoc)- Seagull
渃鵸 (Yar·Mánh)- Night Heron (literally Water Chicken)

Game Birds
𪄥 (Caor)- (Japanese) Quail
山𪄥 (Ren·Caor)- Partridge (literally Mountain Quail)
鵸 (Mánh)- Chicken/Rooster
𡼹鵸 (Gay·Mánh)- (Common) Pheasant (literally Forest Chicken)
䲨𦹺 (Ơm·Rãc)- Peacock/Peafowl

Other
𪀅ヌ (Ãc·Ãc)- Crow/Raven
哥𪇨 (Ca·Tro)- (Rock) Dove/Pigeon
鴕鳥 (Đa·Téo)- Ostrich
燕 (Èn)- Swift
漪燕 (È·Yèn)- Swallow/Martin
鸚哥 (Ènh·Cã)- Parrot
喔𢇱 (Hỡc·Hù)- Cuckoo
藍𪀄 (Lam·Chim)- (Asian Fairy) Bluebird (literally Indigo Bird)
鵸數 (Mánh·Xò)- Penguin
𪀆 (Sèim)- (Eurasian Tree) Sparrow
𪁎 (Tionh)- (Common) Myna/Starling
犀𪁎 (Rã·Tionh)- Hornbill (literally Rhinoceros Myna)
冬𪀄 (Tuonh·Chim)- Robin (literally Winter Bird)
木蜅𪀄 (Vuc·Rưy·Chim)- Woodpecker (literally Wood Bug Bird)
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Sat 30 Dec 2017, 00:28

If/Then Clauses
Just realized there's a small grammar concept that I haven't covered yet. I'll get back into animals in the next post [:)]. If/then clauses can be divided into 3 groups:


1. Both clauses are positive
When both clauses are positive they are both preceded by the particle 𠮩 (Lac)

𠮩𩅹𠮩咳固於茹。
Lac hứy lac ich a đi sãnh.
PART rain, PART PART be PREP home
If it rains, let's stay at home


2. First clause is negative, second is either positive or negative
When the first clause is negative, both clauses are preceded by the particle 丕 (Chành). As negation can be inferred, it is optional, especially in informal speech, to negate the verb in the first clause. The second clause must always be negated if negative.

丕伮(庄)𡚢(空)丕伮𥐍。
Chành nu (bu) gõnh (ỏ) chành nu cỏ.
PART 3s.PRO (NEG) tall (NEG), PART 3s.PRO short
If he weren't tall, he would be short.


3. First clause is positive, second is negative
When the first clause is positive but the second is negative, the first clause is preceded by the particle 𠮩 (Lac) while the second is preceded by the particle 丕 (Chành). Similar to the second group, negation can be inferred in the second clause and thus it's optional to negate the second clause's verb.

𠮩𩅹丕伮(庄)𠺼(空)。
Lac hứy chành nu (bu) cảo (ỏ).
PART rain, PART 3s.PRO (NEG) sad (NEG)
If it rained, he wouldn't be sad.


庄𪆤空 (Bũ Dũ Ỏ)- Happy
The word for happy in Ởnh·Vú is kind of an odd one out when it comes to if/then clauses. This word is the negated form of the long obsolete verb 𪆤 (Đũ) which used to mean something along the lines of unlucky. As this verb is always negated, it is treated as such with respect to if/then clauses and so it can never occur in first group sentences. Additionally, unlike other verbs, the negative particles surrounding it are never dropped in if/then clauses, even in casual speech.

丕伮庄𪆤空丕伮䶞。
Chành nu bũ dũ ỏ chành nu ꞗả.
PART 3s.PRO NEG unlucky NEG, PART 3s.PRO smile
If he's happy, then he smiles.

𠮩雪丕伮庄𪆤空。
Lac xơt chành nu bũ dũ ỏ.
PART snow, PART 3s.PRO NEG unlucky NEG
If it snowed, he would be happy.
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Wed 03 Jan 2018, 06:53

Expressing Can
Just another small but important grammar note on the different ways to translate "can" into Ởnh·Vú

Permission
When trying to express can/may as an indication of permission the word 迻 (Ví), meaning to give/allow, is used e.g:
𠰺穌員迻伵步头廁㕽。
Ba·to·quon ví hũnh lảt áo tòy·ré.
I can go to the bathroom (in school) (literally: teacher allows me to go to the bathroom)

Knowledge/Ability
When trying to express can/may as an indication of knowledge and/or ability, the word 别 (Tó), meaning to know, is used. As the main meaning of this verb is "to know", this verb can only be used with animate objects e.g:
伵别車。
Hũnh tó chéy.
I can drive (literally: I know how to drive)

Ability With Inanimate Objects
If you want to express ability with an inanimate object, the Sinic word 能夠 (Nơnh·Cứ) is used. This word is also used with animate objects to emphasize ability over knowledge e.g:
伵别車、仍伵庄能夠空。
Hũnh tó chéy, sơnh hũnh bũ nơnh·cứ ỏ.
I can drive, but I'm not able to.
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by Khemehekis » Wed 03 Jan 2018, 07:19

All4Ɇn wrote:
Mon 25 Dec 2017, 19:46
兎 (Tãy)- Rabbit/Hare/Bunny
Ooh, were you inspired by K1234567890y's friends Tay Ayase and Babybunny2044? (If not, it's still a pretty cool homage/coincidence.)
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Re: Ởnh·Vú- Chamic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Thu 04 Jan 2018, 00:21

Khemehekis wrote:
Wed 03 Jan 2018, 07:19
Ooh, were you inspired by K1234567890y's friends Tay Ayase and Babybunny2044? (If not, it's still a pretty cool homage/coincidence.)
I'm afraid that's a complete coincidence. The word comes from proto-Chamic *tarapay [:)]
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Post by Khemehekis » Thu 04 Jan 2018, 05:59

All4Ɇn wrote:
Thu 04 Jan 2018, 00:21
I'm afraid that's a complete coincidence. The word comes from proto-Chamic *tarapay [:)]
Shame it's not a deliberate homage. It's pretty cool as a coincidence though. (Like the fact that the word for "psychic" in Kankonian is randi. I was about 16 and had never heard of The Amazing Randi.)

For reference, here are the mammal words in Part IV of the Landau Core Vocabulary:
Spoiler:
mouse
rat
rabbit
horse
pony
pig
camel
deer
cattle
cow
bull
goat
sheep
lamb
cat
kitten
lion
tiger
dog
puppy
bear
elephant
monkey
human
And here are the mammal words in Part V:
Spoiler:
mammal
kangaroo
koala
opossum
gerbil
hamster
beaver
squirrel
chipmunk
gopher
porcupine
guinea pig
bat
mole
armadillo
donkey
zebra
rhinoceros
tapir
sow
boar
piglet
hippopotamus
llama
alpaca
moose
reindeer, caribou
giraffe
antelope
buffalo
water buffalo
yak
ox
calf
nanny-goat
billy-goat
kid
ewe
ram
jaguar
leopard
mountain lion, cougar, puma
cheetah
fox
wolf
coyote
jackal
badger
otter (sea)
ferret
skunk
polar bear
cub (bear)
panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca)
raccoon
seal
walrus
dolphin
orca
whale
baboon
ape
gorilla
orangutan
chimpanzee
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels

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