Symiric Language

A forum for all topics related to constructed languages
Post Reply
User avatar
Void
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 15:15
Location: Y'Ghatan

Symiric Language

Post by Void » Wed 25 Oct 2017, 23:14

Symiric (/səmɨrɨk/; Symiric: süm, IPA: [sym]) is the language spoken in Symir. Linguistically, Symiric is the most pervasive of all the Yrmic languages. It belongs to the High Symiric branch of Yrmic languages. The Symirians are indigenous to, and primarily inhabit, the Kola Peninsula, a region that straddles the northeasternmost part of Europe. It is spoken primarily by Symirians; a minority lives in Finland, Russia, and Sweden. Most speak Symiric at home.

Highland Symiric (Symiric: Vokmá jaroz, Highland Symiric: Ymir waqhas, Ymirsuddan) is a descendant of the Symiric language family. It is spoken in Armenia and Turkey, by a minority. The language split up from Old Symiric at around the 8th or 9th centuries. Its vocabulary is mostly of Symiric origin, with a few Armenian, Turkish, and Avestan loanwords. Most Highlanders are Eastern Orthodox, and a minority is Muslim.

This is the Symiric consonantal system, using symbols from the IPA:

Nasal m n ŋ
Plosive p b t d k g
Fricative θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x (ç) ʁ
Approximant ʋ l j
Trill r

Almost every consonant may be geminated, written by doubling a single letter grapheme: ⟨bb⟩ for [bː], ⟨pp⟩ for [pː], ⟨ss⟩ for [sː] etc., or by doubling the first letter of a grapheme cluster: ⟨tth⟩ for [θː], ⟨ggh⟩ for [ʁː], etc.

Symiric has eight pairs of corresponding short and long vowels. Their phonetic values do not exactly match up with each other, so ⟨e⟩ represents /ɛ/ and ⟨é⟩ represents /e:ː/; likewise, ⟨a⟩ represents /ɑ/ while ⟨á⟩ represents /aː/.

As in Finnish, Turkish, or Mongolian, vowel harmony plays an important part in determining the distribution of vowels in a word. Symiric vowel harmony classifies the vowels according to front vs. back assonance and rounded vs. unrounded for the front vowels. Excluding compound words, Symiric words have either only back vowels or front vowels due to these vowel harmony rules. These rules are reflected mostly in morphological processes, such as derivation and conjugation.

Close i • i: • y • y: u • u:
Mid e: • ø: o:
Open-Mid ɛ • œ ɔ
Open a: ɑ

While [i iː] are front unrounded vowels, they are considered to be "neutral vowels" in Symiric vowel harmony. Therefore if a word contains back vowels, neutral vowels may appear alongside them. However, if only neutral vowels appear in a stem, the stem is treated as though it is of front vowel assonance and all suffixes must contain front vowels.

During various morphological processes, short middle vowels often syncope, e.g. jaroz "language) » jarzot "languages."

Volhavar ja arhan
("The King and the God")
Spoiler: show
Mala erdüh volhavar armoban. Grílü volhavar velis. Réhnele irnelen ardhailan: “Sülkimbü rúsud veli!” Vaghla ardhai volhavarsud: “Ulvaghzak Ahsundul arhan.” Ókurmulu volhavar Ahsundul arhan, éghréhnelmeg ezdüh arhandul. “Künzek rús, Ahsun attai!” Günkívile Ahsun arhan serktelen. “Sis gríthük?” - “Gríthür velis.” - “Samba,” vaghla Ahsun ithû arhan. Süllü volhavaran kunsiva velis.

Sentence by sentence:

Mala erdüh volhavar armoban. Grílü volhavar velis.
[ˈmɑlɑ ˈɛrdyç ˈʋɔlxɑʋɑr ˈɑrmɔbɑn gri:ly ˈʋɔlxɑʋɑr ˈʋɛlis]
be-3SG.PST once king child-ABES want-3SG.PST king son-ACC
"Once there was a childless king. The king wanted a son."

Réhnele irnelen ardhailan: “Sülkimbü rúsud veli!”
[ˈreːçnɛlɛ ˈirnɛlɛn ˈɑrðɑi̯lɑn ˈsylkimby ˈruːsud ˈʋɛli]
ask-3SG.PST his-ABL priest-ABL birth-PASS.SUBJ-3SG.FUT 1SG.LAT son
"He asked his priest: “May a son be born to me!”"

Vaghla ardhai volhavarsud: “Ulvaghzak Ahsundul arhan.”
[ˈʋɑʁlɑ ˈɑrðɑi̯ ˈʋɔlxɑʋɑrsud ˈulʋɑʁzɑk ˈɑxsundul ˈɑrxɑn]
say-3SG.PST priest king-LAT pray-2SG.COND-FUT Ahsun-LAT god
"The priest said to the king: “Pray to the god Ahsun.”"

Ókurmulu volhavar Ahsundul arhan, éghréhnelmeg ezdüh arhandul.
[ˈoːkurmulu ˈʋɔlxɑʋɑr ˈɑxsundul ˈɑrxɑn ˈeːʁreːxnɛlmɛg ˈɛzdyç ˈɑrxɑndul]
approach-3SG.PST king Ahsun-lat god pray-REFL now god-LAT
"The king approached the god Ahsun to pray now to the god."

“Künzek rús, Ahsun attai!” Günkívile Ahsun arhan serktelen.
[ˈkynzɛk ruːs ˈɑxsun ˈɑtːɑi̯ ˈgyŋkiːʋilɛ ˈɑxsun ˈɑrxɑn ˈsɛrktɛlɛn]
hear-2SG.COND-FUT 1SG.ACC Ahsun father descend-3SG.PST Ahsun god sky-PL.ABL
"“Hear me, father Ahsun!” The god Ahsun came down from heaven."

“Sis gríthük?” - “Gríthür velis.” - “Samba,” vaghla Ahsun ithû arhan.
[sis ˈgriːθyk griːθyr ˈʋɛlis ˈsɑmbɑ ˈʋɑʁlɑ ˈɑxsun ˈiθyː ˈɑrxɑn ]
what-ACC want-2SG.AOR want-1SG.AOR son-ACC be-SUBJ-3SG.FUT say-3SG.PST Ahsun bright god
"“What do you want?” “I want a son.” “Let this be so,” said the bright god Ahsun."

Süllü volhavaran kunsiva velis.
[ˈsylːy ˈʋɔlxɑʋɑrɑn ˈkunsiʋɑ ˈʋɛlis]
birth-3SG.PST king-GEN lady son-ACC
"The king's lady bore a son."

Ahsun ("Snake") is the serpent god of wisdom, fertility, and the moon. He is also known as Irvošir (“The White”), Vokun Ürjö (“The Great Serpent”), and Ithû (“The Bright”). He is considered to be the main god of the Symiric pantheon. He is the child of Dúhir ("Depth"), and sibling to Moghun ("Spider"), the god of lies, murder, plots, and sex.
The text is outdated, but updating it is not a very stimulating thought.

Feel free to ask anything or... laud covertly.
Last edited by Void on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 02:21, edited 3 times in total.
mihor odh jörhönsüd šarhur zahrastakram

uhra róksud rétthírselle murgga arraukun duhšankatas
User avatar
Void
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 15:15
Location: Y'Ghatan

Re: Symiric Language

Post by Void » Fri 27 Oct 2017, 15:37

What I want to talk about next are some minimal historical sound changes, and semantic reevaluations based on Symiric theology.

(MS - Modern Symiric, OS - Old Symiric, PS - Proto-Symiric)

ürjö [ˈyrjœ] - snake, serpent (from Old Symiric *yrjô, from Proto-Symiric *yrjëwös, from *yr- "ash") - the snake is the most important animal in Symiric mythology. Ahsun (an archaic word for "snake") is the Symiric god of wisdom, fertility, and the moon.

ürm [yrm] - ash (from Old Symiric *yrmä, from Proto-Symiric *yr- "ash") - the Symirians originally came from Yrm, a land far to the north, considered to be covered in ash. Thence the religious importance of ash (and why ürjö has ür-).

ürek [ˈyrɛk] - cinder, ember (from Old Symiric *yrkä, from Proto-Symiric *yr- "ash" + *-kas fossilised nominalising suffix)

Another interesting semantic development:

šar [ʃɑr] - blood; kin (from Old Symiric *šara, from Proto-Symiric *śaras; related to MS *šerö "vein"

šerö [ˈʃɛrœ] - blood vessel, vein (botanical/anatomical) (from Old Symiric *šärô, from Proto-Symiric *śärwös); related to MS šar "blood"

čer [tʃɛr]
  • 1. body
  • 2. physique
  • 3. anatomy
  • 4. corpse, dead body (formal)
From Old Symiric *čärä, from Proto-Symiric *tëśäris (*të- "with"), related to *śaras "blood"

Note how both ürjö and šerö have the underlying PS suffix *-wos. It is most likely related to the PS essive *-wo (MS -a) and instrumental *-wa (MS -va).

Another word with that suffix is kirmö "worm," most likely from PS *kirulas "to rot" and the same suffix (*kirulas + *-wos = *kirmëwös > *kirmô > kirmö)
mihor odh jörhönsüd šarhur zahrastakram

uhra róksud rétthírselle murgga arraukun duhšankatas
User avatar
Void
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 15:15
Location: Y'Ghatan

Re: Symiric Language

Post by Void » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 14:44

I don't want to rush the grammar, so I'll just share some lexicon between two Symiric languages.

Symiric (High Symiric branch)

Zarbala ardhai volhavarsud álangglos.
[ˈzɑrbɑlɑ ˈɑrðɑi̯ ˈʋo̞lxɑʋɑrsud ˈa:lɑŋ:lo̞s]
write-3SG.PST priest king-LAT=to letter-ACC
The priest wrote a letter to the king.

Tulgudic (Tulsuvic branch)

Zochŕe zrabło srachłos włochse.
[ˈzɔxɬe ˈzrabwɔ ˈsraxwɔs ˈvwɔxsɛ]
priest send-3SG.PST letter-ACC king-DAT
The priest wrote a letter to the king.

Tulgudic zochŕe "priest" is cognate to Symiric zahrai "ritualist." The words comes from Proto-Symiric *zahrajas "ritual-performer," from *zahr- "ritual" and *-ajas agent suffix (-je in Tulgudic, -ai in Symiric).

Tulgudic zrabył "to write" is cognate to Symiric zarbal "to write."

Tulgudic srachoł "letter" is cognate to Symiric sarhul "to follow." The words comes from Proto-Symiric *sarhulas. Symiric álanggol comes from Old Symiric *ālaŋŋola, eventually from Proto-Symiric *ajkulas "to go" and the instrumental noun suffix -vol.

Tulgudic włoch "king" is cognate to Symiric volh "ruler" (-avar is an augmentative suffix). The suffixes -se and -sud are also cognate. The words come from Proto-Symiric *wolhas.
mihor odh jörhönsüd šarhur zahrastakram

uhra róksud rétthírselle murgga arraukun duhšankatas
User avatar
sangi39
moderator
moderator
Posts: 2603
Joined: Thu 12 Aug 2010, 00:53
Location: North Yorkshire, UK

Re: Symiric Language

Post by sangi39 » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 17:36

Konungr wrote:Tulgudic srachoł "letter" is cognate to Symiric sarhul "to follow." The words comes from Proto-Symiric *sarhulas. Symiric álanggol comes from Old Symiric *ālaŋŋola, eventually from Proto-Symiric *ajkulas "to go" and the instrumental noun suffix -vol.
Not too many of the sound changes are hard to see, but I was just wondering what happened to *ajkulas+vol for it to become *ālaŋŋola.

And generally, quite enjoying this language [:)] It has a sort of has an Ugric feel to it, rather than a Finnic one, which I find really cool for a language isolate spoken in the Kola peninsula.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
User avatar
Void
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 15:15
Location: Y'Ghatan

Re: Symiric Language

Post by Void » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 22:41

sangi39 wrote:
Konungr wrote:Tulgudic srachoł "letter" is cognate to Symiric sarhul "to follow." The words comes from Proto-Symiric *sarhulas. Symiric álanggol comes from Old Symiric *ālaŋŋola, eventually from Proto-Symiric *ajkulas "to go" and the instrumental noun suffix -vol.
Not too many of the sound changes are hard to see, but I was just wondering what happened to *ajkulas+vol for it to become *ālaŋŋola.

And generally, quite enjoying this language [:)] It has a sort of has an Ugric feel to it, rather than a Finnic one, which I find really cool for a language isolate spoken in the Kola peninsula.
Thank you. I'm hoping to one day get around writing some fantasy literature, but I always needed a conlang for it. The Kola Peninsula Symiric is the more natural explanation (for NationStates; hence the absolute lack of loanwords).

I guess I just didn't write that down: *alāŋŋola (misplaced the macron) is from *al- "away" + *ajkungulas (causative form of *ajkulas). So basically, *alajkungulas + -wolas = *alajkungwolas > *alajkuŋŋola > *alāŋŋola > alánggol.
mihor odh jörhönsüd šarhur zahrastakram

uhra róksud rétthírselle murgga arraukun duhšankatas
User avatar
sangi39
moderator
moderator
Posts: 2603
Joined: Thu 12 Aug 2010, 00:53
Location: North Yorkshire, UK

Re: Symiric Language

Post by sangi39 » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 22:52

Konungr wrote:
sangi39 wrote:
Konungr wrote:Tulgudic srachoł "letter" is cognate to Symiric sarhul "to follow." The words comes from Proto-Symiric *sarhulas. Symiric álanggol comes from Old Symiric *ālaŋŋola, eventually from Proto-Symiric *ajkulas "to go" and the instrumental noun suffix -vol.
Not too many of the sound changes are hard to see, but I was just wondering what happened to *ajkulas+vol for it to become *ālaŋŋola.

And generally, quite enjoying this language [:)] It has a sort of has an Ugric feel to it, rather than a Finnic one, which I find really cool for a language isolate spoken in the Kola peninsula.
Thank you. I'm hoping to one day get around writing some fantasy literature, but I always needed a conlang for it. The Kola Peninsula Symiric is the more natural explanation (for NationStates; hence the absolute lack of loanwords).

I guess I just didn't write that down: *alāŋŋola (misplaced the macron) is from *al- "away" + *ajkungulas (causative form of *ajkulas). So basically, *alajkungulas + -wolas = *alajkungwolas > *alajkuŋŋola > *alāŋŋola > alánggol.
Ohhh, so the does the -jku- element just elide to nothing?
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
User avatar
Void
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 15:15
Location: Y'Ghatan

Re: Symiric Language

Post by Void » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 23:48

sangi39 wrote:
Konungr wrote:
sangi39 wrote:
Konungr wrote:Tulgudic srachoł "letter" is cognate to Symiric sarhul "to follow." The words comes from Proto-Symiric *sarhulas. Symiric álanggol comes from Old Symiric *ālaŋŋola, eventually from Proto-Symiric *ajkulas "to go" and the instrumental noun suffix -vol.
Not too many of the sound changes are hard to see, but I was just wondering what happened to *ajkulas+vol for it to become *ālaŋŋola.

And generally, quite enjoying this language [:)] It has a sort of has an Ugric feel to it, rather than a Finnic one, which I find really cool for a language isolate spoken in the Kola peninsula.
Thank you. I'm hoping to one day get around writing some fantasy literature, but I always needed a conlang for it. The Kola Peninsula Symiric is the more natural explanation (for NationStates; hence the absolute lack of loanwords).

I guess I just didn't write that down: *alāŋŋola (misplaced the macron) is from *al- "away" + *ajkungulas (causative form of *ajkulas). So basically, *alajkungulas + -wolas = *alajkungwolas > *alajkuŋŋola > *alāŋŋola > alánggol.
Ohhh, so the does the -jku- element just elide to nothing?
Well, it does lengthen the preceeding /a/, but essentially, yes. Syncope and elision are very common, to the point where I can barely keep track of them. Unprofessional, I know.
mihor odh jörhönsüd šarhur zahrastakram

uhra róksud rétthírselle murgga arraukun duhšankatas
User avatar
Void
cuneiform
cuneiform
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon 15 Aug 2016, 15:15
Location: Y'Ghatan

Re: Symiric Language

Post by Void » Wed 15 Nov 2017, 02:40

I have done some progress on both Symiric and Highlander Symiric, or Ymirsuddan. It's agglutinative but not as polysynthetic as Symiric. It also has nasalised vowels (a minority dialect has lost them).

Taqhun juumlok zaarkǫdadur.
[ˈtaɰun ˈjuːmlɔk ˈzaːrkɔ̃dadur]
cow lead-3SG.PST-PASS slaughterhouse-LAT
The cow was led into the slaughterhouse.

Arzas salzala ja terwele iri gazy süwärär.
[ˈarzas ˈsalzala ja ˈtɛrwɛlɛ ˈiri ˈgazɨ ˈsywærær]
priest stargaze-3SG.PST and write-3SG.PST 3SG-ANIM.POSS-ACC discover-ACC book-LOC
The priest studied the stars and wrote down his findings in a book.

Ka walhumyr kaar sa jol darbas; sitir wordarbul ruusu sal ymǫd.
[ka ˈwalħumɨr ka:r sa jɔl ˈdarbas sitir ˈwɔrdarbul ˈruːsu sal ˈɨmɔ̃d]
that monk be-3SG.PRS yonder good blacksmith; sword smith-3SG.PST=that 1SG.DAT be-3SG.PST great
That monk over there is a great blacksmith; the sword that he had made for me was great.

Symiric:

Jomuks síšor jörgösttût.
[ˈjomuks ˈsiːʃor ˈjørgøstːyːt]
lead-3SG.PST-PASS cow slaughterhouse-LAT=in
The cow was led into the slaughterhouse.

Sahlizálak ardhai ja tervek gazújatas sûrret.
[ˈsɑxlizaːlɑk ˈɑrðɑi̯ jɑ ˈtɛrʋɛk ˈgɑzuːjɑtɑs ˈsyːr:ɛt]
stargaze-3SG.PST-HAB priest and write-3SG.PST-HAB discover-3SG.POSS-ACC.PL book-LAT=in
The priest studied the stars and wrote down his findings in a book.

Sa ka valhomiroh kar jol makrai; sal sitir makrallor rúsud arjun.
[ˈsɑ kɑ ˈʋɑlxomirox kɑr jol ˈmɑkrɑi̯ sɑl ˈsitir ˈmɑkrɑlːor ˈruːsud ˈɑrjun]
be-3SG.PRS that monk yonder good blacksmith; be-3SG.PST sword smith-3SG.PST=that 1SG.DAT great
That monk over there is a great blacksmith; the sword that he had made for me was great.
mihor odh jörhönsüd šarhur zahrastakram

uhra róksud rétthírselle murgga arraukun duhšankatas
Post Reply