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Re: Proper Name, Story of a life...

Post by lsd » Mon 13 Nov 2017, 16:58

elemtilas wrote:
Sun 12 Nov 2017, 15:16
In the World, some names are indeed little more than mnemonics, labels. There is little power in them beyond that granted by knowledge. Deeper names open ever more cunningly wrought locks. Care must be exercised, indeed great caution, before giving someone those keys!
Giving someone your facename, a nickname that everyone knows & uses, grants no real power. Upon hearing it, you'd feel only the slightest heart tug of recognition. Grant someone a deeper name and you'll be hard pressed to resist any but the silliest or insanest of requests. Play the fool and give some passing love your very soul name and you'll place yourself in thrall forever!
I am always taken aback by the languages of imaginary worlds that follow an imaginary linguistics...

They reduce a little the self-realization of built languages that are real artifacts in the real world...

Even if they make a good support for literature, as a metaphor for the world...

As I understand it, it is a parable of the power that knowledge gives on reality...

It presupposes, in a way, the advent of a maximalist philosophical language that allows in a word to group all the facets of an object...

Oh, holy grail here...
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Re: Proper Name, Story of a life...

Post by elemtilas » Wed 15 Nov 2017, 02:17

lsd wrote:
Mon 13 Nov 2017, 16:58
elemtilas wrote:
Sun 12 Nov 2017, 15:16
In the World, some names are indeed little more than mnemonics, labels. There is little power in them beyond that granted by knowledge. Deeper names open ever more cunningly wrought locks. Care must be exercised, indeed great caution, before giving someone those keys!
Giving someone your facename, a nickname that everyone knows & uses, grants no real power. Upon hearing it, you'd feel only the slightest heart tug of recognition. Grant someone a deeper name and you'll be hard pressed to resist any but the silliest or insanest of requests. Play the fool and give some passing love your very soul name and you'll place yourself in thrall forever!
I am always taken aback by the languages of imaginary worlds that follow an imaginary linguistics...
What other kind of linguistics ought it follow?
lsd wrote:
Mon 13 Nov 2017, 16:58
They reduce a little the self-realization of built languages that are real artifacts in the real world...

Even if they make a good support for literature, as a metaphor for the world...
Any halfway competent worldbuilder will at least attempt to make its languages work from within: they will be as real an artifact of the otherworld as English or Tahitian are artifacts of the primary world.
lsd wrote:
Mon 13 Nov 2017, 16:58
As I understand it, it is a parable of the power that knowledge gives on reality...
In this case, of course, it is both parable about which and that which inspires parable.
lsd wrote:
Mon 13 Nov 2017, 16:58
It presupposes, in a way, the advent of a maximalist philosophical language that allows in a word to group all the facets of an object...

Oh, holy grail here...
In The World, there's no need for philosophical invented langauges, because the natural languages are already evolved in that direction!
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