New Weekly Indo European Collablang

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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by vo1dwalk3r » Sat 03 Mar 2018, 21:21

41. b
42. a
43. a
44. b
45. b
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Hominid » Sun 04 Mar 2018, 01:05

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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Frislander » Sun 04 Mar 2018, 17:24

41. b
42. a
43. b
44. b
45. c
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 00:11

41. a
42. a
43. b
44. b
45. b


Voting on Questions 41-45 has Ended
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 00:40

Results for 41-45
Spoiler:

41. Genitive Singular(thematic)
Spoiler:
b. -osyo
42. Locative Singular
Spoiler:
a. -i
43. Locative Singular(thematic)
Spoiler:
a. -oy
44. Accusative Plural
Spoiler:
b. -ns
45. Genitive Plural
Spoiler:
b. -ōm
Questions 46 -50
Spoiler:

46. Dative Plural
a. -bʰos
b. - mos

47. Sound Change : Intervocalic Voicing of Fricatives
a. Yes
b. No
c. Suggest your own

48. Sound Change : Assimilation
a. Clusters like dn become zn
b. They become something like ʐn
c. Suggest your own

49. Case
a. Develop the Essive Case
b. No
c. Some other case?

50. Cuneiform
a. Do we adopt Sumerian/Akkadian Cuneiform
b. Develop a unique script influence aesthetically by cuneiform
c. Suggest your own




X. How are we going to form the comitative?

X2. Suggestions for the Organized Religion for the speakers?
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 02:21

46: a
47: a
48: b
49: a
50: a

Have we established approximately what time it is, in-world? In other words, what century is the current version of the language spoken during?
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Frislander » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 12:43

46. a
47. b
48. c - assimilate dn to zn and then lose nasal.
49. a
50. c - develop a Georgian/Armenian-esque alphabet later down the line, but perhaps have older stages written in cuneiform

X - Develop comitative from postposition *kom, or perhaps grammaticalised *kʷe.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Vlürch » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 15:55

46. A
47. B
48. C, metathesis: dn -> nd, etc.
49. A
50. Frislander's suggestion, but also an alternative Cyrillic orthography.

X. Frislander's suggestion of *kʷe, since that seems the most logical.

X2. Everything I suggested before, but the only thing I really care about is conflating Satanaya with Mary the mother of Jesus. In the end, she should be called simply Satana for maximum false friendliness with how the Devil is called in Georgian and Armenian, სატანა (Satana) and Սատանա (Satana) respectively. If everyone thinks that's a stupid idea, ok... I guess you're taking this more seriously than me. [:P]
shimobaatar wrote:
Tue 06 Mar 2018, 02:21
Have we established approximately what time it is, in-world? In other words, what century is the current version of the language spoken during?
I have no idea, but probably still pretty early.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by idov » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 17:14

46: a
47: a
48: a/ Frislander's suggestion
49: b
50: Vlürch's suggestion

X. I really like the idea but, to which case should *-kʷe attach? Locative and nominative both seem all right to me. Maybe we could try it on several to derive more than one new case...
Also, how will this interact with the suffixaufnahme that we considered? Will adjectives agree or be in the case it's derived from a la comitative in Estonian? I would prefer if only the noun inflected for the comitative and the adjectives followed and agreed only in number.
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 21:29

46. b
47. a
48. c : Frislander' s suggestion
49. a
50. c- Vlürch's suggestion + ( with the additional possibility of using the Hellenic Alphabet around the Hellenistic Period)
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 23:33

Vlürch wrote:
Tue 06 Mar 2018, 15:55
X2. Everything I suggested before, but the only thing I really care about is conflating Satanaya with Mary the mother of Jesus. In the end, she should be called simply Satana for maximum false friendliness with how the Devil is called in Georgian and Armenian, სატანა (Satana) and Սատանա (Satana) respectively. If everyone thinks that's a stupid idea, ok... I guess you're taking this more seriously than me. [:P]
I agree that this would be a fun idea. Aside from the "Satana" stuff, it would be interesting to have them adopt and retain some religious/folkloric practices and beliefs native to the Caucasus.

Regarding Cyrillic, I'm not at all opposed to it in the long run, but isn't it a bit early for that at this stage?
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by vo1dwalk3r » Wed 07 Mar 2018, 04:21

46. b
47. b
48. Frislander's suggestion
49. a
50. a

X. I too like the idea of forming the comitative with -kʷe.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Wed 07 Mar 2018, 04:23

vo1dwalk3r wrote:
Wed 07 Mar 2018, 04:21
X. I too like the idea of forming the comitative with -kʷe.
Forgot to [+1] this before, so I'll do it now.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Wed 07 Mar 2018, 23:43

Results 46-50
Spoiler:

46. Dative Plural
Spoiler:
a. -bʰos
47. Sound Change : Intervocalic Voicing of Fricatives
Spoiler:
a. Yes
48. Sound Change : Assimilation
Spoiler:
c - assimilate dn to zn and then lose nasal.
49. Case
Spoiler:
a. Develop the Essive Case
50. Cuneiform
Spoiler:
c. develop a Georgian/Armenian-esque alphabet later down the line, but perhaps have older stages written in cuneiform + but also an alternative Cyrillic orthography

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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Thu 08 Mar 2018, 04:40

Questions 51 - 55

51. Sound Change: w and v
a. w and v merge into v
b. keep them distinct


52. Comitative
a. attach kom as a suffix at the end of the accusative
b. attach grammaticalised *kʷe. as a suffix at the end of the accusative
c. Suggest your own

53. Essive ( How do we develop it?)
a. Suggest your own

54. Inessive Case
a. Do we develop it?
b. No

55. Interdental Fricatives
a. Keep them for now
b. θ > t & ð >d
c. θ > s & ð >z
d.θ > f & ð > v
e. Suggest your own
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Frislander » Thu 08 Mar 2018, 18:37

51. b
52. b
53.
54. a
55. c
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by idov » Thu 08 Mar 2018, 19:19

51. b
52. b (though I would prefer the nominative)
53. c From *méntis. The language has a double ablative absolute construction like Latin. noun-ESS is thus historically noun-ABL mind-ABL.
In essence, "he barked like a dog" was "he barked with a dog as a mind". Yeah, I voted no to this for a reason.
54. b (What would an a imply?)
55. a
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Thu 08 Mar 2018, 23:28

51: a
52: b
53: c (idov's suggestion + vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
54: a
55: d

idov wrote:
Thu 08 Mar 2018, 19:19
Yeah, I voted no to this for a reason.
What's that supposed to mean?
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by idov » Fri 09 Mar 2018, 02:11

I thought pretty hard to come up with something I didn't particularly care for. Plus, it would mean having vestiges of a case we've lost, unless we make the same construction with, for example, the dative. I have voted against these new cases because I believe it would be easier for a collaboration to come up with new adpositions to replace any cases we may lose, rather than inventing new ones with all their quirks.

So far I'm impressed though, the vocative, ablative and instrumental are not that important; they were in fact often subject to syncretism in PIE. And our options for making a comitative seem much better than I imagined when I proposed it. Some ideas grow better in the minds they didn't arise in after all. [tick]
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by vo1dwalk3r » Fri 09 Mar 2018, 04:02

51. b
52. b
53. (Idov's suggestion)
54. a
55. d

I like the use of the ablative with Idov's suggestion. I think we should have some contracted form early on though before we evolve it. Like:

ḱunés mn̥téys > ḱunésmn̥tis >ḱunés(m/n/t)is
ḱunés mn̥téys > ḱunsmn̥téys > ḱuns(m/n/t)éys

Or something else. Would the plural be ḱunmós mn̥tímos, with both plural?
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