Aʻatun Scratchpad

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Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by yangfiretiger121 » Sun 17 Jun 2018, 02:11

Aʻatun [ˈɑ.ʕɑ.tʉn ] is both the home galaxy and official language of the Skaran Empire. The language used aspirated, tenuis, and ejective stops. Speakers aspirated or ejected [ p t d s z k g j ] before mid vowels [ ᴇ ⱺ ]. Eventually, aspirated consonants evolved into, sometimes different, fricatives ([ pʰ→f ]). Could ejective consonants have become non-ejective ([ kʼ→k ])? While [ t d ] [ s z ] and their derivatives were interchangeable at the time, [ p b ] weren't because their <v> Romanization has always been [ ʋ ], never [ bʱ v w ]. Romanizations marked with an asterisk (*) below are interchangeable with their voiced counterparts. [ ʕ ] has always been the pharyngeal approximant, never its fricative counterpart. Syllable structure is (C)V(C), where V is always a monophthong because diphthongs don't exist.

Nakona [ ˈɴɑ.ʠⱺ.ɴɑ→ˈɴɑ.qⱺ.ɴɑ ]
Nakeri [ ɴɑˈkʰᴇrʲ ]→Naxeri [ ɴɑˈχᴇʂ ]
Thanos [ ˈƭhɑ.ɴⱺs→ˈθɑ.ɴⱺs ]

The language treats the character representing [ i j ] and <ϙ>, which represents [ ɑ ʕ ], as semivowels. This means certain words, such as Aʻatun, would, logically, have the approximant before the vowel in local script. To avoid this, the approximant has a tilde above it. Thus, Aʻatun is spelled ϙϙ͂tuɤ locally. I will replace <tu> with the local characters when I figure them out. α represents their sun, and ɤ represents a ram's horn.

Original Aʻatun alphabet and Romanization
<?> (p) <?> (b) <?> (s*) <?> (k) <?> (t*) <?> (g) <?> (h) <?> (r) <?> (v) <?> (m) <ɤ> (n) <?> (i; <?> [ ji ]) <ϙ> (a ʻ; <ϙ͂> [ ʕɑ ]) <?> (u) <?> (e) <?> (o)

Current Aʻatun alphabet and Romanization
<?> (p*) <?> (s*) <?> (k) <?> (t*) <?> (g) <?> (h) <?> (f) <?> (r) <?> (v) <?> (m) <ɤ> (n) <?> (i; <?> [ ji ]) <ϙ> (a ʻ; <ϙ͂> [ ʕɑ ]) <?> (u) <?> (e) <?> (o)
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by yangfiretiger121 » Thu 21 Jun 2018, 11:31

As of now, I have {y u} leveling into {ʉ]. is this likely, or are {y u} far enough apart acoustically to remain separate?
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by eldin raigmore » Thu 21 Jun 2018, 17:07

It’s probably just my guess, but, I’d say it’s not unlikely.

It is true, as you seem to know, that front-back differences in articulation, make a more-detectable difference in the sounds, between close (high) vowels like [ y u ], than between open (low) vowels.
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by yangfiretiger121 » Fri 22 Jun 2018, 15:39

Thank you. Wikipedia doesn't mention retroflex consonants contrasting with alveolars or post alveolars anywhere (mentions allophony though). Are retroflexes known to contrast with their alveolar/post-alveolar counterparts?
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by eldin raigmore » Sat 23 Jun 2018, 01:36

yangfiretiger121 wrote:
Fri 22 Jun 2018, 15:39
Thank you. Wikipedia doesn't mention retroflex consonants contrasting with alveolars or post alveolars anywhere (mentions allophony though). Are retroflexes known to contrast with their alveolar/post-alveolar counterparts?
Look it up on PHOIBLE or UPSID. Both sites are on CBB’s “Resources” thread.
Edit: Tamil and some other Dravidian languages definitely contrast retroflex vs alveolar. Maybe one of them also contrasts postalveolar. It seems easy to make the three-way distinction both in articulating it and in hearing it, especially for fricatives but also for stops and one or two other manners of articulation.
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by yangfiretiger121 » Fri 29 Jun 2018, 00:40

Thanks again. A few of the names in the setting have <mr nr> sequences. Could both of these assimilate into [ ʀ̃ ] before [ ⱺ ɑ ] (usually [ ɑ ]), or would they have to be [ ᵐʀ ᶰʀ ] as [ r̃ ] is the only nasal trill in the IPA?
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by eldin raigmore » Fri 29 Jun 2018, 08:34

To the best of my knowledge that would be up to you.
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by yangfiretiger121 » Tue 03 Jul 2018, 16:46

Here's the working phoneme chart accompanied by its Romanization.

Notes on the chart below:
(Parenthetical) phones are allophones ([ ɳ ʈ ʈ͡ʂ ʈ͡ɽ ʂ͡ɽ ɽ͡r ] of [ n t tʳ sʳ t͡ʃ r ] when sharing a syllable with [ ʉ ]; [ ɴ q ɢ q͡χ χ ʀ ʀ̃ ] of [ n k g k͡x x r r̃ ] when sharing a syllable with [ ⱺ ɑ ])
Asterisk-trailed (-*) phones show [ m→n ] assimilation (+ Additionally, before [ p̪͡f f ʋ k x q χ ])
Carrot-trailed (-^) phones are interchangeable with their voiced counterparts

/m n (ɳ) ɲ* ŋ*+ (ɴ)/ (<m n ni* ng*+>)
/p^ t^ (ʈ)^ c ɟ k g (q ɢ)/ (<p^ t^ ki gi k g>)
/p̪͡f p͡ʃ^ t̪͡θ^ t͡ʃ^ (ʈ͡ʂ ʈ͡ɽ ʂ͡ɽ)^ t͡ʲɕ^ k͡x ɡ͡ɣ (q͡χ)/ (<pf pi^ tth^ ti^ kx ggh>)
/f θ^ s^ ʃ^ ʂ^ ɕ^ ç ʝ x ɣ (χ) h/ (<f th^ s^ sh^ xi ih x gh h>)
/ʋ r r̃ (ɽ͡r) j (ʀ ʀ̃) ʕ/ (<v r nr* i ʻ>)
[tʳ sʳ]^ (<tr^ sr^>)
/ɑ ᴇ i ⱺ ʉ/ (<a e í o u>)
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Re: Aʻatun Scratchpad

Post by yangfiretiger121 » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 14:13

I have a working phonetic alphabet chart about which I have a few questions.

1. Should [p̪v] be with the labiodental affricates, or is it fine as is considering it's a fortis-lenis cluster?
2. Should the post-trilled consonants, such as [tʳ], be with the other pulmonic consonants as trilled affricates, or are they fine with the consonant clusters?
3. Have I classified /ʂ͡ɽ ʐ͡ɽ/ correctly as co-articulated retroflex trills?
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