POLISZ ENGLISZshanoxilt wrote: ↑Mon 20 Aug 2018, 01:52Possibly rude suggestion:
Why not learn and promote an existing Western European styled language? There are already so many of them!
For the sake of naturalism, Interlingua is perhaps the best. For the sake of simplicity, Lingua Franca Nova is none too shabby. And there is always Esperanto, if you want a large community. (And if you see too many flaws in standard Esperanto, you could always learn Ido or another spin-off language.)
Interlingua is not western european, it is romanic. And i like natural looking languagy, but not when they have an irregular spelling. Lingua franca nova is regular indeed, but it is purely romanic too. I haw a language like that too, it is called panlatino. But i dont see the reason why an international language szould be purely romanic, especially considering that the most spoken language in the world, if we count all the L2 speakers and ewen BSE speakery, iz englisz. Esperanto haz the same problem, altho it haz englisz and german words tu, and ewen some slavic wordy. Europano has quite the same amount of romanic and germanic wordy, and much more slavic wordy than esperanto. Still it iz eazier tu understand for all europeany. Once i made a counting comparing how mucz the speakery of each language can understand of both languagy, and for europano the 3 languagy with the greatest number of "pointy" were englisz, frencz and spanisz (in quite the same proporszon), around 400 "points", than come the other romanic and germanic languagy, with mor than 300 pointy, then slawic languagy with 200 tu 100 pointy. For esperanto, the nearest languagy - frencz and then spanisz - haw around 200 pointy, but for the speakery of englisz and other germanic languagy it is les than 100 and for the slawic languagy it iz nearly 0.
This is so becoz europano łordz are determined mathematicaly, the mołst internaszonal łord iz the czołzen one. Soł now i noł łat the mołst internaszonal łordy (in an european sense) are for ewery konsept (of korse not realy, my dikszonary just haz a few thouzand łordy, kłite a few łordy stil haw tu be determined). And it helps me now, traveliń around Germany łith the bike and wizitiń the surroundiń kuntrys, that i noł kłite a fju slawik łordy bekoz they're integrated intu europan.
Of korse, if ju learn some basik wokabjulary and rules in esperanto, ju kan kłikly understand mucz more, but europan iz mucz izier tu understand at the first liseniń.
Łicz doesnt min that i promołte europan and fight esperanto. Esperanto haz a solid basis of spikerz and literatura, and if łi konsider ol the more-or-les spikery, there mite bi a fju miliony, łile europano doesnt realy haw a czans, łicz is ły łen piple ask mi łat they szud learn, i say thej szud learn esperanto. I dołnt like kłite a fju ficzures ow it, but it iz the ołnly language that standz a real czans.
Learning ido or other spin-of language - i like kłite a fju ow them beter than esperanto, but then they dont really stand a chance either.
I du this for fun, and tu learn mor about other languadży. But i hawnt sin a languadż like that byfor. And after ol, if ju realy think ol this is sensles, ły ar ju in a forum dedikejted tu konlangs? Aj min, du ju tel ol the a priori languadż kriejtory that thej'r łejstiń ther tajm, sins ther ar olredy thałzandy ow them?
Gritińz from łęknica, Polska (łicz is pronałnst 'wenknitsa')
Interlingua is not western european, it is romanic. And i like natural looking languages, but not when they have an irregular spelling. Lingua franca nova is regular indeed, but it is purely romanic too. I have a language like that too, it is called panlatino. But i dont see the reason why an international language should be purely romanic, especially considering that the most spoken language in the world, if we count all the L2 speakers and even BSE speakers, is english. Esperanto has the same problem, altho it has english and german words too, and even some slavic words. Europano has quite the same amount of romanic and germanic words, and much more slavic words than esperanto. Still it is easier to understand for all europeans. Once i made a counting comparing how much the speakers of each language can understand of both languages, and for europano the 3 languages with the greates number of "points" were english, french and spanish (in quite the same proportion), around 400 "points", than come the other romanic and germanic languages, with mor than 300 points, then slavic languages with 200 to 100 points. For esperanto, the nearest languages - french and then spanish - have around 200 points, but for the speakers of english and other germanic languages it is less than 100 and for the slavic languages is nearly 0.
This is so because europano words are determined mathematically, the most international word is the chosen word. So now i know what the most international words (in an european sense) are for every concept (of course not really, my dictionary just have a few thousand words, quite a few words still have to be determined). And it helps me now, travelling around Germany with the bike and visiting the surrounding countries, that i know quite a few slavic words because they're integrated into europan.
Of course, if you learn some basic vocabulary and rules and suffixes in esperanto, you can understand much more, but europan is much easier to understand at the first listening.
Which doesnt mean that i promote europan and fight against esperanto. Esperanto has a solid basis of speakers and literature, and if we consider all the more-or-less speakers, there might be a few millions, while europano doesnt really have a chance, which is why when people ask me what language they should learn, i say they should learn esperanto. I dont like quite a few features of it, but it is the only language that stands a real chance.
Learning ido or other spin-off language - i like quite a few of them better than esperanto, but then they dont really stand a chance either.
I do this for fun, and to learn more about other languages. But i haven't seen a language like that before. And after all, if you really think this is senseless, why are you in a forum dedicated to conlangs? I mean, do you tell all the a priori language creators that they're wasting their time, since there are already thousands of them?
Greetings from łęknica, Poland (which is pronounced Wenknitsa)