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British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 17:50

Now, I know that not a lot of people in the conlanging community like romlangs since they're done often, but why don't we try doing a collab on the creation of an Britanno-Romance language akin to Brithenig and Britainese? Given that there weren't as many speakers of British Vulgar Latin as there were speakers of Brittonic languages in the British Isles, let's assume that in the timeline where this language exists, most of Roman Britannia's residents were Latinized before the Romans lost control of Britannia in 410 CE. Questions in this collab will be posted every one to three days.

1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
a) Yes. This will be a western Romance language.
b) No. This will be a language that isn't a Western or Eastern Romance language, but an outlier like Sardinian.
c) Other

2) How will the name of this language be derived?
a) From Latin Britannicus. (Derived in the same manner as Asturian arábicu)
b) From Latin *Britanniēnsis. (Derived in the same manner as Portuguese português and French français)
c) From Latin *Britanniolus. (Derived in the same manner as Spanish español)
d) From Latin *Britannicus. (Derived in the same manner as Romanian românesc and Brithenig brithenig)
e) From Latin *Brittaniotem (Derived in the same manner as English Istriot and Vegliot) - Proposed by Ælfwine
f) Other

3) What will be the political situation in Great Britain?
a) Divided into multiple Brittonic and Romano-British kingdoms, with no central government uniting them together.
b) Split into two kingdoms, a northern one and a southern one, both of which would take up about as much space as Roman Britain.
c) Same as B, except Wales is its own kingdom.
d) Same as B, except Wales is split into multiple independent kingdoms.
e) Same as A, except Wales is united under a single kingdom.
f) All of Modern-Day England and Wales are united.
g) Other

4) Will this language have Brittonic loanwords?
a) Yes.
b) No.

Voting ends tonight at 21:00 EDT or 01:00 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by k1234567890y » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 18:29

1) a
2) d
3) f
4) b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 18:31

1: b
2: b
3: a
4: a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Ælfwine » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 18:41

1.)
b.) No. This will be a language that isn't a Western or Eastern Romance language, but an outlier like Sardinian.

2.)
e.) The derivation will be *Brittaniotem, like Vegliot and Istriot.

3.)
c.) Same as B, except Wales is its own kingdom.

4.)
a.) yes
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 22:43

1.) a
2.) e
3.)
4.) a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sat 04 Aug 2018, 02:50

The results are in!

1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
a) Yes. This will be a western Romance language.
b) No. This will be a language that isn't a Western or Eastern Romance language, but an outlier like Sardinian.

2) How will the name of this language be derived?
e) From Latin *Brittaniotem (Proposed by Ælfwine) - This language will be referred to as Brittaniot in English.

3) What will be the political situation in Great Britain?
a) Divided into multiple Brittonic and Romano-British kingdoms, with no central government uniting them together.
c) Same as B, except Wales is its own kingdom.
f) All of Modern-Day England and Wales are united.

4) Will this language have Brittonic loanwords?
a) Yes.

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There was a two-way tie for #1 and a three-way tie for #3. To make a decision on these two questions, they will be voted on again. If there is still a tie, the vote will be decided by this random number generator.

1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
a) Yes. This will be a western Romance language.
b) No. This will be a language that isn't a Western or Eastern Romance language, but an outlier like Sardinian.

3) What will be the political situation in Great Britain?
a) Divided into multiple Brittonic and Romano-British kingdoms, with no central government uniting them together.
b) Same as B, except Wales is its own kingdom.
c) All of Modern-Day England and Wales are united.

5) Will the Brittonic languages survive, or be driven to extinction?
a) Yes. They will survive in the same areas they have to this day.
b) Yes. They will survive in small pockets in the British Isles.
c) No.
d) Other

Voting ends tomorrow at 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by k1234567890y » Sat 04 Aug 2018, 09:57

1) a
3) c
5) a or b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Sat 04 Aug 2018, 13:42

1: b
3: a
5: a b d (They survive in larger areas than they do in our world.)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Tanni » Sat 04 Aug 2018, 14:17

1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
b) No. This will be a language that isn't a Western or Eastern Romance language, but an outlier like Sardinian.

3) What will be the political situation in Great Britain?
a) Divided into multiple Brittonic and Romano-British kingdoms, with no central government uniting them together.

5) Will the Brittonic languages survive, or be driven to extinction?
a) Yes. They will survive in the same areas they have to this day.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sun 05 Aug 2018, 02:39

The results are in!

1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
b) No. This will be a language that isn't a Western or Eastern Romance language, but an outlier like Sardinian.

3) What will be the political situation in Great Britain?
a) Divided into multiple Brittonic and Romano-British kingdoms, with no central government uniting them together.

5) Will the Brittonic languages survive, or be driven to extinction?
a) Yes. They will survive in the same areas they have to this day.

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6) What will be the outcome of the monophthongs of Vulgar Latin?
a) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u e o e o ɛ ɔ a/ (Western Romance)
b) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u e u e o ɛ ɔ a/ (Eastern Romance)
c) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u i u e o e o a/ (Sardinian)
d) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u i o e o ɛ ɔ a/ (Proposed by Ælfwine)
e) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u y u e o e ɔ a/ (Proposed by Tanni)
f) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i y y u e u ɛ o a/ (Proposed by IEPH)
g) Other.

7) What would a map of Great Britain now look like in the 5th and 6th centuries?
a) It would look like this map, but with kingdoms in southern Great Britain now being Latinized.
b) It would look like this map, but with a southern kingdom having control of more land.
c) It would look like this map, but with a northern kingdom having control of more land.
d) Other.

8) What kingdom would this thread vote on, and be the base for Brittaniot?
a) It should be one of the southeastern kingdoms.
b) It should be one of the kingdoms in Dumnonia or Cornwall.
c) It should be one of the kingdoms in Wales (or any of the ones in red).
d) It should be one of the blue kingdoms (those that are in between Modern-Day England and Scotland).
e) Other.

Voting ends tomorrow at 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Ælfwine » Sun 05 Aug 2018, 03:27

6.) What will be the outcome of the monophthongs of Vulgar Latin?
d.) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u i o e o ɛ ɔ a/

7.) What would a map of Great Britain now look like in the 5th and 6th centuries?
c) It would look like this map, but with a northern kingdom having control of more land.

8.) What kingdom would this thread vote on, and be the base for Brittaniot?
d) It should be one of the blue kingdoms (those that are in between Modern-Day England and Scotland).
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Sun 05 Aug 2018, 03:48

6: d (Ælfwine's suggestion)
7: a
8: a
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Post by k1234567890y » Sun 05 Aug 2018, 05:55

6. d (Ælfwine's suggestion)
7. a
8. a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Tanni » Sun 05 Aug 2018, 09:34

6) What will be the outcome of the monophthongs of Vulgar Latin?
d) Other: /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u y u e o e ɔ a/

8) What kingdom would this thread vote on, and be the base for Brittaniot?
c) It should be one of the kingdoms in Wales (or any of the ones in red).
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » Sun 05 Aug 2018, 17:18

6) f) Other (My suggestion)
/i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i y y u e u ɛ o a/

8) a) It should be one of the southeastern kingdoms.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 03:09

The results are in!

6) What will be the outcome of the monophthongs of Vulgar Latin?
d) /i u ɪ ʊ e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u i o e o ɛ ɔ a/ (Proposed by Ælfwine)

7) What would a map of Great Britain now look like in the 5th and 6th centuries?
a) It would look like this map, but with kingdoms in southern Great Britain now being Latinized. Since this is before Saxon invasions in England, this is what the map would look like in the early 5th century. The Latinized Kingdoms are Dumnonia, Durotrigia, Atrebatia, Londein, Regia, and Cantia.

8) What kingdom would this thread vote on, and be the base for Brittaniot?
a) It should be one of the southeastern kingdoms. Londein will be the kingdom we vote on.

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9) Who should be the first ruler of Londein?
a) Ambrosius Aurelianus
b) Constans II
c) Vortigern
d) A relative of King Arthur
e) Other

10) What will be the outcome of the plosives /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/?
a) /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡s t͡s~d͡z j~d͡ʒ/ (Western Romance)
b) /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /tt͡ʃ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ (Eastern Romance)
c) /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /tt͡ʃ t͡ʃ j/ (Old English)
d) /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/ (Proposed by shimobaatar)
e) /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ ʃ j/ (Proposed by qwed117)
f) /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /cc c ɟ/ (Proposed by Ælfwine)
g) Other

11) What will be the outcome of the cluster /skʲ/?
a) /skʲ/ > /(j)ʃ~st͡s~s/ (Gallo-Ibero-Romance)
b) /skʲ/ > /ʃʃ/ (Italian)
c) /skʲ/ > /ʃ/ (Old English)
d) /skʲ/ > /ʃc/ (Proposed by Ælfwine)
e) Other

12) What will be the outcome of the clusters /Cs/ and /Ct/?
a) /Cs Ct/ > /ʃ t͡ʃ/ (Spanish)
b) /Cs Ct/ > /(j)ʃ jt/ (Ibero-Romance)
c) /Cs Ct/ > /js jt/ (Gallo-Romance)
d) /Cs Ct/ > /ss tt/ (Italian)
e) /Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/ (Proposed by shimobaatar)
f) Other

13) What will be the outcome of the plosives /tʲ dʲ/?
a) /tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s~d͡z j/ (Western Romance)
b) /tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/ (Eastern Romance)
c) /tʲ dʲ/ > /tt dd/ (Old English)
d) /tʲ dʲ/ > /j/ (Proposed by qwed117)
e) Other

Voting ends tomorrow at 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 03:15

9: a c
10: e (/t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/)
11: c
12: e (/jʃ jt͡ʃ/)
13: b

Just so you know, the choices go "a b c e" for questions 10, 11, and 13, and "a a b c e" for question 12.
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Post by qwed117 » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 03:29

9. a
10. c (Old English) e (tʃ ʃ j)
11. c (Old English)
12. a (Spanish)
13. a c e (j j)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 11:07

shimobaatar wrote:
Mon 06 Aug 2018, 03:15
9: a c
10: e (/t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/)
11: c
12: e (/jʃ jt͡ʃ/)
13: b

Just so you know, the choices go "a b c e" for questions 10, 11, and 13, and "a a b c e" for question 12.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Ælfwine » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 21:32

9.) c

10.) f. kkʲ kʲ gʲ -> cc c ɟ

11) d. ʃc

12) e. (shimo's)

13) b.

NB: it's very odd that a language would adopt Old English style changes before Old English existed? Although I guess it can be explained as a coincidence.
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