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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 11 Nov 2018 05:11

For questions 85 and 86, if it's not too much trouble, could we see what the current phonemic inventory is, along with a list of non-phonological changes we've made so far?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 12 Nov 2018 12:57

Is there a greater Scandinavian cultural and linguistic influence in this Britain?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 12 Nov 2018 17:04

shimobaatar wrote:
11 Nov 2018 05:11
For questions 85 and 86, if it's not too much trouble, could we see what the current phonemic inventory is, along with a list of non-phonological changes we've made so far?
So far, the phonemic inventory of Middle Brettaniot is as follows:

/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ch~c j~g>
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sci~sc>
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl i u>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~ui~iu u e e~a o a>
/ei oi ai eu ou au ea/ - <ei oi ai eu ou au e~æ>

As for non-phonological changes:
  • The vowels /i u ou/ are rewritten as <i~y u ou>. (Old Brettaniot)
  • The consonants /ɲ ʎ/ are rewritten as <gn gl>. (Old Brettaniot)
  • Noun cases are lost.
  • Word-final back vowels are dropped as they were in Middle English.
Cavaliers327 wrote:
12 Nov 2018 12:57
Is there a greater Scandinavian cultural and linguistic influence in this Britain?
I figured that Scandinavian influence would be about the same as OTL, but there could be more influence in the north, possibly leading to a North/South divide similar to that between speakers of the langues d'oïl and speakers of Occitan languages in France.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 12 Nov 2018 17:23

gokupwned5 wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:04
Noun cases are lost.
Oh, this is the only change we've made that doesn't have to do with the phonology or orthography of the language?

Also, you've misattributed this_is_an_account's proposals to me in the post with this round's questions.

84: a
85: [+1] to this_is_an_account's proposal of /oi eu/ > /we jo/, with the addition of /ei ou ea/ > /je wo ja/
86: Loss of certain verb forms

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 12 Nov 2018 17:49

shimobaatar wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:23

Oh, this is the only change we've made that doesn't have to do with the phonology or orthography of the language?
Yep.
shimobaatar wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:23

Also, you've misattributed this_is_an_account's proposals to me in the post with this round's questions.
Sorry, I'll fix it now.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 12 Nov 2018 19:21

gokupwned5 wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:49
shimobaatar wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:23
Also, you've misattributed this_is_an_account's proposals to me in the post with this round's questions.
Sorry, I'll fix it now.
It looks like 86a is still attributed to me.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 12 Nov 2018 19:45

shimobaatar wrote:
12 Nov 2018 19:21
gokupwned5 wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:49
shimobaatar wrote:
12 Nov 2018 17:23
Also, you've misattributed this_is_an_account's proposals to me in the post with this round's questions.
Sorry, I'll fix it now.
It looks like 86a is still attributed to me.
It's fixed.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 17 Nov 2018 19:58

84. A
85. A
86. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 18 Nov 2018 20:29

The results are in!

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84) Who will be the next king of Britain?
a) Guilliam, the third son of Guilliam I.

85) What sound changes would you like to see in Middle Brettaniot?
a) /oi eu ei ou ea/ → /we jo je wo ja/ (Proposed by this_is_an_account)

86) What changes in grammar would you like to see in Middle Brettaniot?
a) Leveling of declensions and/or conjugations. (Proposed by this_is_an_account)

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87) How will verb conjugations be leveled?
a) All plural forms will merge. (OTL Middle English)
b) The imperfect and past historic tenses will merge into a single past tense.
c) The future and conditional tenses will be eroded, and replaced with constructions with auxillary verbs.
d) Other.

88) It is 1095 CE. Wanting to prevent another succession dispute, Guilliam II decides to name an heir to his throne. Who should Guilliam I name as his heir?
a) Stephen of Blois, nephew of Guilliam II
b) Robert Curthose, son of Guilliam I
c) Enri, son of Guilliam I
d) Other.

89) What will be the fate of the Brettaniot nobility?
a) They will be replaced by Anglo-Norman nobles.
b) Same as a but the nobles start speaking Brettaniot.
c) Other.

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These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ → /we jo je wo ja/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ch~c j~g>
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sci~sc>
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl i u>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~ui~iu u e e~a o a>
/ai au/ - <>
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 18 Nov 2018 20:36

87: b
88: a
89: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 18 Nov 2018 20:46

87: C
88: A
89: B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 18 Nov 2018 22:11

87. B
88. A
89. B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 18 Nov 2018 23:03

87) a b c
88) b c
89) b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 19 Nov 2018 20:47

87. B

88. C, Introduce Semi-Salic Law in succession

89. A, have some Brettaniot nobles assimilate into Anglo-French Nobility


Shouldn't you introduce Anglo-Norman forms of names into the Brettaniot language to show the pre-eminence of the Anglo-Norman language

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 21 Nov 2018 20:15

Cavaliers327 wrote:
19 Nov 2018 20:47
Shouldn't you introduce Anglo-Norman forms of names into the Brettaniot language to show the pre-eminence of the Anglo-Norman language
That's a good idea. I'll change the names later.

EDIT: I changed the names.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 25 Nov 2018 04:02

The results are in!

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87) How will verb conjugations be leveled?
b) The imperfect and past historic tenses will merge into a single past tense.

88) It is 1095 CE. Wanting to prevent another succession dispute, Guilliam II decides to name an heir to his throne. Who should Guilliam I name as his heir?
a) Stephen of Blois, nephew of Guilliam II

89) What will be the fate of the Brettaniot nobility?
b) They will be replaced by Anglo-Norman nobles, but those nobles start speaking Brettaniot. A few of the previous Brettaniot nobles will keep their titles.

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90) How should the nasals /m n ɲ/ be written?
a) /m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni> (The alternation for /ɲ/ is based on etymological differences)
b) /m n ɲ/ - <m n gn>
c) /m n ɲ/ - <m n ni>
d) Other.

91) How should the vowels /i u e ə o a/ be written?
a) Keep the outdated spellings they had in Old Brettaniot, but replace <æ> with <ea>.
b) /i u e ə o a/ - <i u e e~a o a> (The alternation for /ə/ is based on etymological differences)
c) Same as b but /i/ is also written as <y> to symbolize former /y/
d) Other.

92) Should Middle Brettaniot verbs maintain a distinction between the indicative and subjunctive moods.
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

93) Guilliam I dies in 1110 CE. Stephen I is now 19 years old and ready to rule Britain. Who should he marry?
a) Matilda of Boulogne - Since Matilda is descended from the Pre-Norman Kings of Lyndein, this would increase Stephen's legitimacy, as well as that of any heirs he produces.
b) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ → /we jo je wo ja/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <>
/p b t d k g/ - <>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <>
/f v s z ʃ/ - <>
/r l ʎ j w/ - <>
/i u e ə o a/ - <>
/ai au/ - <>
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 25 Nov 2018 11:51

90: a
91: c
92: b
93: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by samsam » 25 Nov 2018 19:13

90) B
91) C
92) A
93) A
native: :fra: :che:
learning: :usa: :bol: :esp: :deu: :irn: :ind:

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 25 Nov 2018 19:49

90: A
91: C
92: A
93: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 25 Nov 2018 22:49

90 a
91 c
92 b
93 a
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