British Romance Language Collablang

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 21:49

Ælfwine wrote:
Mon 06 Aug 2018, 21:32
9.) c

10.) f. kkʲ kʲ gʲ -> cc c ɟ

11) d. ʃc

12) e. (shimo's)

13) b.

NB: it's very odd that a language would adopt Old English style changes before Old English existed? Although I guess it can be explained as a coincidence.
I can see why it would be odd, but it could be possible if we end up deciding to integrate the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes into Londein. If not, than it could probably be explained by those that had already been residing in Britain. If I remember correctly, there were already Anglo-Saxons serving in the Roman military for at least the past 100 years.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 22:22

9. C
10. D
11. C
12. E
13. B
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 03:05

The results are in!

9) Who should be the first ruler of Londein?
Vortigern will be the first king of Londein.

10) What will be the outcome of the plosives /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/?
The plosives /kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ will become /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/ as proposed by shimobaatar.

11) What will be the outcome of the cluster /skʲ/?
The cluster /skʲ/ will become /ʃ/ as it did in Old English.

12) What will be the outcome of the clusters /Cs/ and /Ct/?
The clusters /Cs/ and /Ct/ will become /jʃ/ and /jt͡ʃ/ respectively.

13) What will be the outcome of the plosives /tʲ dʲ/?
The plosives /tʲ dʲ/ will become /t͡s d͡z/.

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14) What will happen to the vowels /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ in stressed, open syllables?
a) They lengthen: /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /iː uː eː oː ɛː ɔː aː/
b) They lengthen: /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /iː ʉː eː oː ɛː ɔː ɔː/
c) They become diphthongs: /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u e o ai au a/
d) They become diphthongs: /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ (Old French)
e) Other

15) How should the verb conjugations of Vulgar Latin develop in this language?
a) Verbs should develop as they did in Old French, except the future tense is formed with the construction *volēre "to want" + ad "to" + verb infinitive, similar to Romanian and Modern English. (Proposed by gokupwned5)
b) Conjugations with the present active infinitive endings -āre, -ēre, -ere, and -īre should remain distinct, if possible. (Proposed by shimobaatar)
Propose ideas for us to vote on.

16) What noun cases of Vulgar Latin will Proto-Brettaniot/Proto-Brittano-Romance retain?
a) All 4 of them should be retained.
b) Nominative, Accusative, Genitive, and Dative, but they simplify into Nominative, Oblique, and Genitive.
c) Only Nominative and Genitive should be retained.
d) They should merge into a Nominative and Oblique case.

17) Should Proto-Brettaniot/Proto-Brittano-Romance develop do-support?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

Voting ends the day after tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 04:10

14) d
16) b
17) a
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 15:30

14. D
15. A (Verbs should develop as they did in Old French, except the future tense is formed with the construction *volēre "to want" + ad "to" + verb infinitive, similar to Romanian and Modern English.)
16. B
17. A
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 16:55

14: b
15: b (conjugations with the present active infinitive endings -āre, -ēre, -ere, and -īre should remain distinct, if possible)
16: b
17: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by k1234567890y » Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:06

14. d
15. b
16. b
17. a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 03:07

The results are in!

14) What will happen to the vowels /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ in stressed, open syllables?
They become diphthongs: /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ (Old French)

15) How should the verb conjugations of Vulgar Latin develop in this language?
Conjugations with the present active infinitive endings -āre, -ēre, -ere, and -īre will remain distinct, if possible.

16) What noun cases of Vulgar Latin will Proto-Brettaniot/Proto-Brittano-Romance retain?
Nominative, Accusative, Genitive, and Dative, but they simplify into Nominative, Oblique, and Genitive.

17) Should Proto-Brettaniot/Proto-Brittano-Romance develop do-support?
Yes.

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18) It is 500 CE, and Anglo-Saxons have started to invade Londein and surrounding kingdoms. What will be the fate of the British Isles?
a) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons try to invade land further north in Scotland and Ireland.
b) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons assimilate into them.
c) Other.

19) What will happen to voiceless plosives in intervocalic position?
a) /p t k/ > /b d g/
b) /p t k/ > /v ð ɣ/
c) Nothing happens.
d) Other.

20) What will happen to voiced plosives in intervocalic position?
a) Nothing happens.
b) /b d g/ > /v ð ɣ/
c) Other.

21) What will be the fate of the back vowels of Proto-Brettaniot?
a) They remain the same.
b) /u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/ (Gallo-Romance)
c) /u o ou ɔ/ > /ɨ u ou o/
d) /u o ou ɔ/ > /ɨ u u o/
e) /u o ou ɔ/ > /y u ø o/ (Proposed by Birdlang)
f) Other.

Voting ends tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 03:19

18: b
19: a
20: b
21: b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Ælfwine » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 03:48

18) It is 500 CE, and Anglo-Saxons have started to invade Londein and surrounding kingdoms. What will be the fate of the British Isles?
a) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons try to invade land further north in Scotland and Ireland.
b) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons assimilate into them.
c) Other.

19) What will happen to voiceless plosives in intervocalic position?
a) /p t k/ > /b d g/ (actual loan: episcopum > bishop)
b) /p t k/ > /v ð ɣ/
c) Nothing happens.
d) Other.

20) What will happen to voiced plosives in intervocalic position?
a) Nothing happens.
b) /b d g/ > /v ð ɣ/
c) Other.

21) What will be the fate of the back vowels of Proto-Brettaniot?
a) They remain the same.
b) /u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/ (Gallo-Romance)
c) /u o ou ɔ/ > /ɨ u ou o/
d) /u o ou ɔ/ > /ɨ u u o/
e) Other.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by k1234567890y » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 05:26

18. b
19. a
20. b
21. b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 12:50

18.A
19.A
20.B
21.D
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 18:21

18) b
19) a
20) b
21) c
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Birdlang » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 21:21

18) a
19) a
20) b
21) e (y u ø o)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:55

The results are in!

18) It is 500 CE, and Anglo-Saxons have started to invade Londein and surrounding kingdoms. What will be the fate of the British Isles?
a) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons try to invade land further north in Scotland and Ireland.
b) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons assimilate into them.

19) What will happen to voiceless plosives in intervocalic position?
a) /p t k/ > /b d g/

20) What will happen to voiced plosives in intervocalic position?
b) /b d g/ > /v ð ɣ/

21) What will be the fate of the back vowels of Proto-Brettaniot?
b) /u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/ (Gallo-Romance)
c) /u o ou ɔ/ > /ɨ u ou o/

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There were two-way ties for both #18 and #21. As a result, both questions will be voted on again, but with only the two winning options, and no proposals.. If this results in another tie, I will use random.org (a random number generator) to decide the tie.

18) It is 500 CE, and Anglo-Saxons have started to invade Londein and surrounding kingdoms. What will be the fate of the British Isles?
a) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons try to invade land further north in Scotland and Ireland.
b) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons assimilate into them.

21) What will be the fate of the back vowels of Proto-Brettaniot?
b) /u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/ (Gallo-Romance)
c) /u o ou ɔ/ > /ɨ u ou o/

22) What will be the fate of the perfect and pluperfect tenses of Vulgar Latin in the indicative mood?
a) Perfect and Pluperfect > Indicative Preterite and Indicative Pluperfect (Portuguese)
b) Perfect > Indicative Preterite or Past Historic, but Pluperfect form of Vulgar Latin is lost (French, Sardinian, Italian)
c) Perfect and Pluperfect > Indicative Preterite and Subjunctive Imperfect (Spanish)
d) Other.

23) How should the future tense be formed?
a) It should be formed with the construction *volēre "to want" + ad "to" + verb infinitive (Romanian and Modern English)
b) It should be formed with the construction *habēre "to have" + ad "to" + verb infinitive (Sardinian)
c) It should be formed with the construction verb infinitive + present tense of *habēre "to have" (Western Romance).
d) Other.

24) How should the conditional tense be formed?
a) It should be formed with the construction verb infinitive + imperfect tense of *habēre "to have" (Western Romance).
b) Other.

Voting ends tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 03:00

18: b
21: b
22: b
23: c
24: a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GrandPiano » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 03:04

18) a
21) b
22) b
23) c
24) a
:eng: - Native
:chn: - B2
:esp: - A2
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 03:47

18) b
21) c
22) a
23) a
24) a
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sat 11 Aug 2018, 02:55

The results are in!

18) It is 500 CE, and Anglo-Saxons have started to invade Londein and surrounding kingdoms. What will be the fate of the British Isles?
b) The Romano-British kingdoms survive, and the Anglo-Saxons assimilate into them.

21) What will be the fate of the back vowels of Proto-Brettaniot?
b) /u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/ (Gallo-Romance)

22) What will be the fate of the perfect and pluperfect tenses of Vulgar Latin in the indicative mood?
b) Perfect > Indicative Preterite or Past Historic, but Pluperfect form of Vulgar Latin is lost (French, Sardinian, Italian)

23) How should the future tense be formed?
c) It should be formed with the construction verb infinitive + present tense of *habēre "to have" (Western Romance)

24) How should the conditional tense be formed?
a) It should be formed with the construction verb infinitive + imperfect tense of *habēre "to have" (Western Romance).

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25) What will happen to unstressed vowels?
a) Nothing happens.
b) They become /ə/. (Old French and Middle English)
c) Unstressed /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > [i u ə o ə o ə] (Proposed by shimobaatar)
d) Unstressed /ɛ ɔ/ merge with /e o/ but otherwise no change. (Proposed by GrandPiano)
e) Other.

26) Will vowels undergo vowel breaking as they did in Old English, with front vowels becoming falling diphthongs in certain contexts?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

27) Should geminate consonants be retained?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

28) What will happen to initial /j/ and Vulgar Latin geminate /jj/?
a) /j- -jj-/ > /d͡ʒ- -d͡ʒ-/ (Old French)
b) /j- -jj-/ > /d͡ʒ- -dd͡ʒ-/ (Sardinian and Italian)
c) /j- -jj-/ > /ʒ- -d͡ʒ-/
d) Other.

29) How will the consonants /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ be written before front vowels?
a) /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <c g ci~ce~c gi~ge~g~cg> (Old English)
b) /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <c~qu g~gu ch~c j~g>
c) /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <c~ch g~gh ci~c gi~g> (Italian)
d) /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c~qu g~gu ch~c cg~g>, with the letter or digraph on the left being before /u o ɔ a/, and the letter or digraph on the right being before /i e ɛ/ (Proposed by shimobaatar)
e) Other.

Voting ends tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Sat 11 Aug 2018, 03:10

25: c (unstressed /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > [i u ə o ə o ə])
26: b
27: b
28: a
29: d (/k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c~qu g~gu ch~c cg~g>, with the letter or digraph on the left being before /u o ɔ a/, and the letter or digraph on the right being before /i e ɛ/)
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