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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GrandPiano » Sat 11 Aug 2018, 04:52

25) c (unstressed /ɛ ɔ/ merge with /e o/ but otherwise no change)
26) b
27) b
28) a
29) b
shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 11 Aug 2018, 03:10
29: d (before front vowels, /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <qu gu c g>)
Isn't that the same as option b?
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Sat 11 Aug 2018, 05:22

GrandPiano wrote:
Sat 11 Aug 2018, 04:52
shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 11 Aug 2018, 03:10
29: d (before front vowels, /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <qu gu c g>)
Isn't that the same as option b?
Hmm, I guess. Given that the question specifically asks about how to write /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ before front vowels, though, I assumed that option b was proposing, for example, /ki gi t͡ʃi d͡ʒi/ <ci~qui gi~gui chi~ci ji~gi>. It does make more sense that it's actually proposing, for example, /ki ku gi gu t͡ʃi t͡ʃu d͡ʒi d͡ʒu/ <qui cu gui gu ci chu gi ju>. However, if that's the case, then why does the question only ask about how to write those sounds before front vowels?

Anyway, assuming that's correct, I've changed my suggestion.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by k1234567890y » Sat 11 Aug 2018, 07:09

25 c(shimobaatar)
26 b
27 b
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29 b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sat 11 Aug 2018, 21:03

25.D (GrandPiano)
26.A
27.B
28.B
29.B
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 03:10

The results are in!

25) What will happen to unstressed vowels?
c) Unstressed /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > [i u ə o ə o ə] (Proposed by shimobaatar)

26) Will vowels undergo vowel breaking as they did in Old English, with front vowels becoming falling diphthongs in certain contexts?
b) No.

27) Should geminate consonants be retained?
b) No.

28) What will happen to initial /j/ and Vulgar Latin geminate /jj/?
a) /j- -jj-/ > /d͡ʒ- -d͡ʒ-/ (Old French)

29) How will the consonants /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ be written before front vowels?
b) /k g t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <c~qu g~gu ch~c j~g>

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30) How should the consonants /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be derived?
a) /kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/ and /pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
b) /kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/ and /tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
c) /mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/ and /pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
d) /mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/ and /tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
e) They should not appear in Proto-Brettaniot.
f) Other.

31) How should voiced fricatives /v ð ɣ/ be written?
a) /v ð ɣ/ - <v ð~dh g~gu>
b) /v ð ɣ/ - <v d g~gu>
c) /v ð ɣ/ - <v ð~dh g~gu> (Written as <f þ~th h> intervocallicaly)
d) /v ð ɣ/ - <v d g~gu> (Written as <f þ~th h> intervocallicaly)
e) /v ð ɣ/ - <v dh gh> (Proposed by GrandPiano)
f) Other.

32) Should Proto-Brettaniot gain the phoneme /θ/?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

33) How should the fricative /ʃ/ be written?
a) /ʃ/ - <sh>
b) /ʃ/ - <sci> (<sc> before front vowels, and when word-final)
c) /ʃ/ - <sci> (<sch> before front vowels, and when word-final)
d) Other.

34) It is now 700 CE, and a succession crisis has occurred in Londein, which is now one of the most powerful kingdoms in the southern British Isles. There are several contenders to the throne. Who should be the new King of Londein to succeed King Ouguen?
a) Gwylog ap Beli, King of Powys. He is descended from Catigern, a son of Vortigern, making him a distant cousin of King Ouguen.
b) Conual, the 30-year-old illegitimate son of Ouguen's father, King Cadualla.
c) Cerdic, a 35-year-old Anglo-Saxon noble, who is the spouse of King Ouguen's sister, Severa.
d) Other.

Voting ends tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 03:17

30: c
31: a
32: b
33: b
34: a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GrandPiano » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 03:43

30) a
31) e (<v dh gh>)
32) b
33) b
34) b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 15:56

30.C
31.E
32.A
33.B
34.A
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 02:58

The results are in!

30) How should the consonants /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be derived?
c) /mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/ and /pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/

31) How should voiced fricatives /v ð ɣ/ be written?
e) /v ð ɣ/ - <v dh gh> (Proposed by GrandPiano)

32) Should Proto-Brettaniot gain the phoneme /θ/?
b) No.

33) How should the fricative /ʃ/ be written?
b) /ʃ/ - <sci> (<sc> before front vowels, and when word-final)

34) It is now 700 CE, and a succession crisis has occurred in Londein, which is now one of the most powerful kingdoms in the southern British Isles. There are several contenders to the throne. Who should be the new King of Londein to succeed King Ouguen?
a) Gwylog ap Beli, King of Powys will ascend to the throne as King Guilo. He forms a cadet branch of the House of Gwertherion, called the House of Guilo.

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35) How should the consonants /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be written?
a) /ɲ ʎ/ - <ni li>
b) /ɲ ʎ/ - <ni li>
c) /ɲ ʎ/ - <gn gli>
d) /ɲ ʎ/ - <gn~nȝ lȝ>
e) /ɲ ʎ/ - <nȝ lȝ>
f) /ɲ ʎ/ - <nh lh> (Proposed by GrandPiano)
g) Other.

36) How should the consonants /j/ and /w/ be written?
a) /j w/ - <i u>
b) /j w/ - <i u> (/j/ is written as <y> between vowels, word-initially, and word-finally)
c) Same as b but <y> is replaced with <ȝ>.
d) /j w/ - <i u> (/j w/ are written as <y ƿ> between vowels, word-initially, and word-finally)
e) Same as d but <y> is replaced with <ȝ>.
f) Other.

37) How should the monophthongs of Proto-Brettaniot be written?
a) /i y u e ə o ɛ a/ - <i u ou e e~a o e a> (Old French)
b) /i y u e ə o ɛ a/ - <i y u e e~a o æ a> (Old English)
c) Other.

38) How should the diphthongs of Proto-Brettaniot be written?
a) /ei iə uə æ~iə/ - <ei ie ue e~ie> (Old French)
b) /ei iə uə æ~iə/ - <ei ie ue æ~ie>
c) Other.

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These are the sound changes of Proto-Brettaniot so far.
Spoiler:
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
And here's the phonology with aspects of the orthography that have already been decided on.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n ?>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <? ? ch~c j~g>
/f v ð s z ʃ ɣ/ - <f v dh s~ss s sci~sc gh>
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l ? i~? u~?>
/i y u e ə o ɛ a/
/ei iə uə æ~iə/
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Voting ends tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 03:07

35: c
36: a
37: a
38: b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GrandPiano » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 06:46

35) f (<nh lh>)
36) a
37) a
38) b

Where do /j w/ occur? Don’t Latin /j w/ become /d͡ʒ v/?
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 15:50

GrandPiano wrote:
Mon 13 Aug 2018, 06:46
35) f (<nh lh>)
36) a
37) a
38) b

Where do /j w/ occur? Don’t Latin /j w/ become /d͡ʒ v/?
They could occur in consonant clusters that formed in native words as well as loan words. Here are some examples.
  • acuerna /əkwernə/ "squirrel" from Old English ācweorna
  • Caduallo /kadwalu/, a male name from Proto-Brythonic *Kadwallọn
  • cambiare /kambjərə/ "to change" from Latin cambiāre
  • Conual~Counual~Cunual /kunwəl/, a male name from British Vulgar Latin Cunouali and from Proto-Brythonic *Kunowal (This word has three different spellings since we haven't voted on how /u/ should be written yet.)
  • uest~ƿest /west/ "west" from Old English west (This word has two different spellings since we haven't voted on how initial /w/ should be written yet.)
  • quande /kwandə/ "when" from Latin quandō
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 16:14

35.F
36.A
37.B
38.B
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 03:06

The results are in!

35) How should the consonants /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be written?
f) /ɲ ʎ/ - <nh lh>

36) How should the consonants /j/ and /w/ be written?
a) /j w/ - <i u>

37) How should the monophthongs of Proto-Brettaniot be written?
a) /i y u e ə o ɛ a/ - <i u ou e e~a o e a> (Old French)

38) How should the diphthongs of Proto-Brettaniot be written?
b) /ei iə uə æ~iə/ - <ei ie ue æ~ie>

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39) How should the affricates /ts/ and /dz/ be written?
a) /ts dz/ - <ç z>
b) /ts dz/ - <ç z> (<ç> is <z> when word-final)
c) /ts dz/ - <ç c> (Proposed by Tanni)
d) Other.

40) What should be the fate of the infinitives of Vulgar Latin?
a) -āre, -ere, -ēre, -īre > -er, -re, -eir, -ir
b) -āre, -ere, -ēre, -īre > -ar, -er, -eir, -ir
c) -āre, -ere, -ēre, -īre > -ar, -er, -ir, -ir
d) -āre, -ere, -ēre, -īre > -ar, -er, -er, -ir
e) Same as c but -āre becomes -er.
f) Same as d but -āre becomes -er.
g) -āre, -ere, -ēre, -īre > -ar, -re, -er, -ir, (Proposed by GrandPiano)
h) Other.

41) As of 700 AD, this is the current political situation. Given that both nations have the same ruler, should Powys unite with Loundein?
a) Yes.
b) No. One of Gwylog ap Beli's other sons could simply ascend to the throne of Loundein, whereas the oldest would be the King of Powys.
c) No. One of Gwylog ap Beli's other sons could simply ascend to the throne of Powys, whereas the oldest would be the King of Loundein.
d) Other.

42) Should the plural forms in Proto-Brettaniot verbs be preserved, or should they merge into a single plural conjugation as they did in Old English?
a) They should be preserved.
b) They should merge into a single plural conjugation as they did in Old English.
c) Other.

Voting ends tomorrow 21:30 EDT or 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 03:41

39: a
40: a
41: a
42: a

The link in question 41 isn't working, at least not for me.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 11:51

shimobaatar wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 03:41
39: a
40: a
41: a
42: a

The link in question 41 isn't working, at least not for me.
I don't know why. That's strange. I'll try putting a new link now.

EDIT: This one should work.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 13:48

gokupwned5 wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 11:51
EDIT: This one should work.
It does, thank you!

(Post #10030.)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by eldin raigmore » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 15:08

shimobaatar wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 13:48
gokupwned5 wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 11:51
EDIT: This one should work.
It does, thank you!

(Post #10030.)
An octarchy instead of a heptarchy?
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 17:49

eldin raigmore wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 15:08
shimobaatar wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 13:48
gokupwned5 wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 11:51
EDIT: This one should work.
It does, thank you!

(Post #10030.)
An octarchy instead of a heptarchy?
Yep.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 17:49

shimobaatar wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 13:48
gokupwned5 wrote:
Tue 14 Aug 2018, 11:51
EDIT: This one should work.
It does, thank you!

(Post #10030.)
No problem!
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