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ixals' scratchpad

Post by ixals » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 14:39

I think it's a good idea I'll start a scratchpad for all the ideas I have and abandon the day after.

More from the Celticised romlang I posted about yesterday in another thread.
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ixals wrote:
Mon 06 Aug 2018, 17:37
El gclobh dtodzhorn lha vféthar ábht dha shobar.
/el glu dodʒorn ɬa veːθar aːt ða hobar/
[e̞ɫ ˈglu do̞ˈdʒo̞ːn ɬə ˈve̞ːθ.r‿aːtθ ho̞ˈbaː]

"She always closes the window before dining."

Pod-thu bpálar bplu chlarmhét ?
/pod θi baːlar bli xlarβeːt/
[ˈpo̞.d͡ði baˈlaː bli xlaˈβe̞ːt ↗]

"Can you speak more clearly?"
Here's the conjugation for regular verbs ending in -ar:

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The preterite died out and the rest of the past tenses merged into one, as imperfect -ábh /aː/ and pluperfect -ar /aː/ were pronounced the same and were given the more regular spelling of /aː/. The missing tenses are now compounds similar to French. The auxiliary ar means to have.

The singular forms and the third person plural are identical but each form mutates the following word in a different way. Therefore the pronouns can be left out sometimes (not all consonants undergo all mutations).

Bain clarmhét.
/ˈbe̞ːn klaˈβe̞ːt/
I clearly bathe.

Bain gclarmhét.
/ˈbe̞ːn glaˈβe̞ːt/
He/she clearly bathes.

Bain chlarmhét.
/ˈbe̞ːn xlaˈβe̞ːt/
You clearly bathe.

Also numbers one to ten:

u/unh, do, tre, cadar, tsíc, ses, set, ot, nobh, dets
/i ~ iː/, /do̞/, /tre̞/, /ˈka.də/, /t͡siːk/, /se̞s/, /se̞t/, /o̞t/, /nu/, /de̞t͡s/
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Re: ixals' scratchpad

Post by Ælfwine » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 16:43

Will this language have initial mutations?
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Post by k1234567890y » Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:09

wow, this is really creative! nice job done!

@Ælfwine clearly it has initial mutations
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Post by Ælfwine » Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:14

k1234567890y wrote:
Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:09
wow, this is really creative! nice job done!

@Ælfwine clearly it has initial mutations
Didn't get to that part before the thought came to my mind, sorry.
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Post by k1234567890y » Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:17

Ælfwine wrote:
Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:14
k1234567890y wrote:
Wed 08 Aug 2018, 21:09
wow, this is really creative! nice job done!

@Ælfwine clearly it has initial mutations
Didn't get to that part before the thought came to my mind, sorry.
that's ok, I can misread or miss reading something too.
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Re: ixals' scratchpad

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:44

Like I said in the other thread, I quite like the look of this language!
ixals wrote:
Tue 07 Aug 2018, 14:39
Here's the conjugation for regular verbs ending in -ar:
Could you potentially detail the effects of the mutations, especially the ways in which they differ from the mutations in Irish?

What is the conjugation of "ar" like?
ixals wrote:
Tue 07 Aug 2018, 14:39
u/unh, do, tre, cadar, tsíc, ses, set, ot, nobh, dets
/i ~ iː/, /do̞/, /tre̞/, /ˈka.də/, /t͡siːk/, /se̞s/, /se̞t/, /o̞t/, /nu/, /de̞t͡s/
What's the difference between the different forms of the number 1?
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Re: ixals' scratchpad

Post by ixals » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 11:24

Below is the current system of initial mutations but I don't know if I am a 100% happy with all the changes. There's a chance I will alter it a bit as it's still just a sketch.

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shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:44
Could you potentially detail the effects of the mutations, especially the ways in which they differ from the mutations in Irish?
I would describe this language's mutations as more regular and Romance-y than Irish's. So things like /t̪ˠ/ > /h/ and /d̪ˠ/ > /ɣ/ don't happen. The romlang's lenition actually causes lenition in a Western Romance style (plus additional things like weakening nasals, affricates etc.) while Irish lenition rather turn stops into fricatives. Irish eclipsis/nasalisation lenites voiceless stops and turns voiced stops into nasals while this romlang just does the latter (in addition to /nf/ > /mpf/ > /pf/ and /ns/ > /nts/ > /ts/ which is more German inspired). Then the romlang also has a third mutation which does multiple different things.
shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:44
What is the conjugation of "ar" like?
I don't know exactly because I seem to have made a mistake. I thought the infinitive of habeō is hábere, not habḗre. So it's not /ˈa.βrə/ > /ˈawr/ > /ˈar/ but something else, probably aver /əˈveː/ or just ver or ér ~ er. This is what I have so far:

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The future and present conditional are definitely set though.
shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:44
What's the difference between the different forms of the number 1?
The first is masculine, the latter is feminine.
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Re: ixals' scratchpad

Post by ixals » Wed 15 Aug 2018, 21:16

A Russian-inspired triconsonantal conlang. An idea I had for some time but always put aside because I didn't like the sound changes.

/ʲi ʲe ʲa ʲu/ <i ye ya yu>
/e~ɨ¹ a~ʌ~ə² u/ <e a~o u>

/m n/
/b p d t g k/
/t͡s t͡ʃ³/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ³ ʒ³ x ɣ⁴/
/l r/

¹ /ɨ/ in unstressed syllables
² /ʌ/ in unstressed syllables followed by an unpalatalised syllable and in front of /l/ [ɫ] and /v/ (written as <o> if /ʌ/ except if part of an infix of a root in the latter two cases), /ə/ if followed by a palatalised syllable
³ palatal if palatalised, retroflex if unpalatalised
⁴ /j/ if palatalised


Consonants devoice at the end of words.

Sample conjugation of √g-l-z "to see":
Definitely not inspired by Russian glaz [:P]

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I thought I'll try ergative-absolutive alignment with this language as well to push my boundaries. The proto-language distinguished past/present and had a habitual tense formed by reduplication of the first syllable. The habitual became the regular present and the old present became the future. Remnants of the reduplication can be seen in the fourth person absolutive. Some of the proto-words:

/uː gaˈlaz/ > /uːˈglaz/ > /ˈu.gɫʌs/
1PS see > 1PS-see.FUT > 1PS.see.FUT

/uː i gaˈlaz/ > /ˈuːi̯.glaz/ ~ /ˈwu̯i.glaz/ > /ˈvʲe.gɫɨs/
1PS here see > 1PS.ERG-see.FUT > 1PS.ERG.see.FUT

/si i galaˈzi ˈaiw/ > /ˈsiː.glæːz æːv/ > /sʲiˈglʲe.zʲev/
2PS here see-PST NEG > 2PS.ERG-see.PST NEG > 2PS.ERG.see.PST.NEG

I made the ergative come from the word for "here" which ultimately was a optional distinction between subject and object. In sentences without an object, the distinction wasn't needed so a galaz was the preferred form for "They see". In sentences with an object, the distinction was kept and became necessary. This enabled a more free word order and caused the language's ergative-absolutive alignment. So a galaz si ("They see you") became replaced by a i galaz si which could now also be said as si galaz a i. However, the SVO was the most common and the subjects became prefixed to the verb. I also have a daughter language in mind which has nominative-accusative alignment and suffixed the subject to the verb together with i all the time.
Edit: Idea: Having the origin of ergative-absolutive alignment from a word like "here" or "this" be an areal feature if I'll ever make a conworld out of this?
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Post by ixals » Thu 27 Sep 2018, 20:02

Conlanger's block so I came up with a random phonology to try to step out of my box [B)]

/i e o ã/ <i e o a>
/ḭ ḛ o̰ ã̰/ <iˀ eˀ oˀ aˀ>

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ň g>
/p t tʲ k kʲ kʷ q ʔ/ <p t tʲ c cʲ cʷ q ˀ>
/f s ð ʃ ɬ x/ <f s d š ł h>
/t͡s t͡ʃ t͡ɬ/ <ts tš tł>
/w l r/ <w l r>

miˀłłc /mɨ̰ɬːk/
tlpcʷo /tl̩pkʷo/
aˀššri /ã̰ʃːri/
mmcʲehc /m̩ːkʲexk/
oˀgdd /o̰ŋðː/

/ð/ is probably the only outlier and my explanation is that it's fairly new and comes from /j/ and maybe /z/ (< /rʲ/).
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Post by ixals » Sun 14 Oct 2018, 15:34

And another random speed romlang I made.

/a e ɛ i o ɔ u/ <a/á e/é e/è/ai i/í o/ó o/ò/au u/ú>
/ɐ̃ ɛ̃ ɔ̃/ <an/am/án/ám en/em/én/ém/èn/èm/ain/aim/in/im/ín/ím on/om/ón/óm/òn/òm/aun/aum/un/um/ún/úm>
/ɛi̯ ɔi̯ ui̯ ɛu̯ ɔu̯ iu̯/ <ei oi ui eu ou iu>

/m n ɲ/ <m n gn>
/p b t d k g/ <p b/v t d c/qu g/gu>
/f s t͡s ʃ t͡ʃ x h/ <f s c/ç x ch y h>
/j w l ʎ ɾ ʀ/ <i/hi u/ü/hu l gl r r/rr>

Allophones:
- unstressed /a e ɛ i o ɔ u/ turn into /ə i ɛ i u ɔ u/ in open and simple closed syllables and /a ɛ ɛ i ɔ ɔ u/ in heavy closed syllables
- final /ɲ ʎ/ depalatalise into /n l/
- /l/ after a consonant palatalised into /ʎ/
- intervocalic /b d g/ are realised as /β ð ɣ/
- /b d g/ devoice at the end of words
- coda /h/ and coda /ɾ/ are not pronounced (however, final /ɾə/ results in a new final /ɾ/)
- /s t͡s/ turns into /ʃ t͡ʃ/ before consonants or word-finally

un, dos, tres, quatre, cinc, six, xet, huoich, nu, diç
[ˈɔ̃ ˈdoʃ ˈtreʃ ˈkwa.trə ˈt͡sɛ̃k ˈsi(ʃ) ˈʃet ˈwɔi̯t͡ʃ ˈnu ˈdit͡ʃ]

Pare nuos, qu' estaç ni cei,
santificad sia l' huos nom,
vigna a nos l' huos regn,
haça-s' la huosa volontad,
axí negla tiérra com ni cei.

/ˈparə nwos k esˈtat͡s ni t͡sɛi̯/ [par nwoʃ kiʃˈtat͡ʃ ni t͡sɛi̯]
/sɐ̃tifiˈkad ˈsia l wos nɔ̃/ [sɐ̃.ti.fiˈkat ˈsi.ə lwoʃ nɔ̃]
/ˈbiɲa a nos l wos ʀeɲ/ [ˈbi.ɲa a noʃ lwoʃ ʀen]
/ˈha.t͡sas la ˈwosa bolɔ̃ˈtad/ [ˈha.t͡səʃ lə ˈwo.sə βu.lɔ̃ˈtat]
/aˈʃi ˈneʎa ˈtjeʀa kɔ̃ ni t͡sɛi̯/ [əˈʃi ˈne.ʎə ˈtje.ʀə kɔ̃ ni t͡sɛi̯]
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Re: ixals' scratchpad

Post by shimobaatar » Sat 03 Nov 2018, 04:50

ixals wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018, 21:16
A Russian-inspired triconsonantal conlang.
Very nice! I appreciate that you've shown some of the development from the protolanguage.
ixals wrote:
Wed 15 Aug 2018, 21:16
Edit: Idea: Having the origin of ergative-absolutive alignment from a word like "here" or "this" be an areal feature if I'll ever make a conworld out of this?
[+1]

ixals wrote:
Thu 27 Sep 2018, 20:02
Conlanger's block so I came up with a random phonology to try to step out of my box [B)]
There's something very pleasing to me about this language's phonology and orthography. I particularly like how the low vowel is nasalized by default, the lack of <k>, and the distribution of geminates.
ixals wrote:
Thu 27 Sep 2018, 20:02
/ð/ is probably the only outlier and my explanation is that it's fairly new and comes from /j/ and maybe /z/ (< /rʲ/).
[+1]

ixals wrote:
Sun 14 Oct 2018, 15:34
And another random speed romlang I made.
Any idea for where this might be spoken?

I like how every monophthong phoneme has at least two orthographic representations, and how unstressed /e o/ merge with /i u/ in certain types of syllables and with /ɛ ɔ/ in others. I'm also pretty intrigued by /x/ <y> and the /x h/ contrast.
ixals wrote:
Sun 14 Oct 2018, 15:34
- /l/ after a consonant palatalised into /ʎ/
Do you mean that /Cl/ > [Cʎ] unconditionally?
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Re: ixals' scratchpad

Post by ixals » Sun 04 Nov 2018, 16:26

shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 03 Nov 2018, 04:50
Very nice! I appreciate that you've shown some of the development from the protolanguage.
Thank you! [:D]
shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 03 Nov 2018, 04:50
There's something very pleasing to me about this language's phonology and orthography. I particularly like how the low vowel is nasalized by default, the lack of <k>, and the distribution of geminates.
Thanks again! My goal with this was to add everything I would normally ugly/disgusting for my own conlangs but I haven't achieved that yet, I like all of these things so far [xD] Although it can get pretty keysmash-y sometimes with words like <ggcʲdrq> /ˈŋ̩ːkʲ.dr̩q/.
shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 03 Nov 2018, 04:50
Any idea for where this might be spoken?
Not really. Spanish and Catalan were my biggest references for sound changes so it would definitely be somewhere in that region I'd say.
shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 03 Nov 2018, 04:50
I like how every monophthong phoneme has at least two orthographic representations, and how unstressed /e o/ merge with /i u/ in certain types of syllables and with /ɛ ɔ/ in others. I'm also pretty intrigued by /x/ <y> and the /x h/ contrast.
Well, most of the representations are just the normal version plus the one with an accent for when the vowel is stressed à la Spanish and Portuguese. /x h/ was something I really wanted for these lang. /h/ is from /f/ like Spanish and /x/ is from earlier /ʝ/ (through /ʝ/ > /ç/ > /x/) which explains the use of <y> for /x/ pretty well I think [:D] Compare Latin *fāgea resulting in Spanish <haya> /ˈa.ʝa/ and this romlang's <haya> /ˈha.xə/ [:D]
shimobaatar wrote:
Sat 03 Nov 2018, 04:50
Do you mean that /Cl/ > [Cʎ] unconditionally?
Yes, exactly that [:)]
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