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Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:34

Anybody else just have random ideas for phonemic inventories and/or more fully fleshed out phonologies? I do. So I thought it might be an interesting...or not so interesting thread....to have a place to put them. Basically I wanted to post this. But feel free to post yours

Stops/affricate: /p t tʃ kʲ k kʷ q qʷ ʔ/
Fricatives: /β ð s ʃ x ɣ xʷ h/
Nasals: /m n ɲ ŋ/
Liquids: /l ɾ ʎ/
Approximants: /j w/

Vowels: /i y u e ɛ ə o a ɑ:/

I may get rid of /ð ɣ/, add /θ/ and then change /β/ to /ʋ/. We'll see. The vowels are pretty loose right now. I may get rid of the second low vowel and add /ɨ/.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:47

I do, a lot of the time.

This is the phonemic inventory of my latest project (which I'm trying to take it slow with):

Vowels
There are ten vowels in Hjaélim, each of which can be either short or long (except for the schwa and the near-open central vowel).

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           Front | Central | Back
Close    : i       ɨ         u
Mid      :         ə
Open-mid : ɛ                 ɔ
Near-open: æ       ɐ
Open     :         a         ɒ
Consonants

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             Bilibial Dental Alveolar Palatal Velar Glottal
Nasal      : m        n
Plosive    : pʰ p     tʰ t            cʰ c    kʰ k
Fricative  : ɸ              s         ç       x     h
Trill      :                r
Lateral    :                l
Approximant:                          j      
I haven't decided upon whether I should use /ɨ/ or /y/ yet.
The vowel inventory might be a little funky, but I like it. This is just a first draft, though.

This is a good thread. Now there won't be hundreds of thread just dedicated to phonologies :roll:.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:48

Too lazy to make a full inventory, but I've a strong desire to play around with labiodentalized consonants. Maybe an Acoi branch?

Perhaps a lenition hierarchy, with

kᶹ > ⱱ > v > ʋ
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by MrKrov » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:51

You can have this one; I'm not using it anymore.

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Plosive: /p b m t d n k g/
Fricative: /ɸ β β̃ s z z̃/
Trill: /r/
Approximant: /l j ɰ/
Vowels: /a i u e o ã ĩ ɯ̃ ẽ õ/
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:52

Ceresz wrote:I haven't decided upon whether I should use /ɨ/ or /y/ yet.
The vowel inventory might be a little funky, but I like it. This is just a first draft, though.
Stick with /ɨ/.
This is a good thread. Now there won't be hundreds of thread just dedicated to phonologies :roll:.
You know that's not going to happen...
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:53

Thakowsaizmu wrote: Stick with /ɨ/.
I think I will.
Any more comments?
Thakowsaizmu wrote: You know that's not going to happen...
One can always dream...
Micamo wrote:Too lazy to make a full inventory, but I've a strong desire to play around with labiodentalized consonants. Maybe an Acoi branch?

Perhaps a lenition hierarchy, with

kᶹ > ⱱ > v > ʋ
Sounds interesting.

How are things with Acoi?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:57

Ceresz wrote:I haven't decided upon whether I should use /ɨ/ or /y/ yet.
The vowel inventory might be a little funky, but I like it. This is just a first draft, though.
I really like that vowel inventory too. But I would say stick with the central vowel, because I like it. If you want the rounding...you could be crazy and go with /ʉ/...
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:58

roninbodhisattva wrote: I really like that vowel inventory too. But I would say stick with the central vowel, because I like it. If you want the rounding...you could be crazy and go with /ʉ/...
Thanks. I think I'll stick with this inventory, at least for the time being :-).
Now I just have to stop being lazy and start my work on the morphology.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:59

Ceresz wrote:How are things with Acoi?
Absolutely terrible. The phonology is far too simplistic to have much dialectical variation aside from the voiceless prenasals.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:59

Ceresz wrote:Now I just have to stop being lazy and start my work on the morphology.
Maybe we should have random syntax and morphology idea threads too.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:01

Micamo wrote: Absolutely terrible. The phonology is far too simplistic to have much dialectical variation aside from the voiceless prenasals.
Even though it's simplistic, I'm sure you could find a way to justify some crazy sound changes and dialectical variations.
roninbodhisattva wrote: Maybe we should have random syntax and morphology idea threads too.
Yeah, maybe :lol:.
My ideas are too similar to each other, so I could probably use a thread like that for inspiration.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:08

Micamo wrote: Absolutely terrible. The phonology is far too simplistic to have much dialectical variation aside from the voiceless prenasals.
Even though it's simplistic, I'm sure you could find a way to justify some crazy sound changes and dialectical variations.[/quote]
How can that be the case? I mean, dialectal variation can happen even in very simple phonologies?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:18

It's not so much that I can't make any variation as it is I'm having trouble making interesting variation. The dialects should still be mutually understandable but they also lay the seed for future developments. It is a proto-lang after all.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:26

Micamo wrote:It's not so much that I can't make any variation as it is I'm having trouble making interesting variation. The dialects should still be mutually understandable but they also lay the seed for future developments. It is a proto-lang after all.
What is interesting to you?

Any examples of ideas you have so far?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:28

Last one for today and then maybe I'll actually do some work.

Stops /p t d k g/
Fricatives /v s z ɕ ʑ x~h/
Nasals /m n/
Liquids /l ɾ j/

Single vowels: /i ʉ u e o a ɛ̃ ʌ̃/
Vowel clusters/dipthongs: /ai au ei ou ui ia ʉa ua ie uo/

Words may begin with a vowel or single consonant. Between vowels, there may be one or two consonants. Some of these post vocalic clusters may also occur word finally. The are also a small number of word final single consonants. The clusters are:

/ts ks/
/st sk xt ɕt ɕk zd zg ʑd ʑg vd vg/
/nd ng ld lg lv ɾd ɾg ɾv lj ɾj/

Final consonants: /t k s m n sh l ɾ/
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:34

Ceresz wrote:What is interesting to you?

Any examples of ideas you have so far?
"Interesting" to me is basically "bat shit insane" ;p

I suppose I can put this consonant inventory up as a "target"...

/p t k p̪ tᶹ kᶹ b d g b̪ dᶹ gᶹ f s x sᶹ xᶹ ṽ z̃ m ɱ n m̥ ɱ̥ n̥ ʋ l j lᶹ jᶹ/
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:38

Well, if you want something insane, then I probably won't be of much help :lol:.

I'm trying to figure out which diphthongs I will allow in this lang.
The only ones I have decided upon are /ai au iu/, but I want something funky thrown in there too.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:43

/iə ɨə uə ɛə ɔə/? I love those. I also like /ie uo/ very very very much.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:44

roninbodhisattva wrote:/iə ɨə uə ɛə ɔə/?
Yeah, I was thinking about doing something with the schwa.

Maybe I'll have /ai au iu iə əu/? And maybe something with /ɨ/.
I hate deciding these things.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 22:47

I hate deciding on diphthongs. Just start doing it and see how it works out.
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