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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » 08 Feb 2011 22:48

Yeah, I guess I can just throw them out later :-).
Thanks for the help.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 08 Feb 2011 23:03

Alert! Like it matters! I have decided to add a small amount of word initial clusters, [pɾ tɾ kɾ] to the phonology I posted last. Some sample words:

zẽi
prua
miksan
vyri
kejãir
kyaky
zhats
vais
pruirjot
puipẽl
zua
krẽkẽ
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nihtua

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 08 Feb 2011 23:19

Also, I've always had this one bumping around my head. It's essentially something like Salish with voiced stops:

Labial: /p pˀ b m mˀ/
Dental: /tθ tθˀ θ/
Alveolar: /t tˀ d c cˀ s z n nˀ/
Lateral: /ƛˀ ɬ l lˀ/
Palatal: /č čˀ š ž y ỷ/
Lab. velar: /kʷ kˀʷ gʷ xʷ w wˀ/
Uvular: /q qˀ χ ʁ ʁˀ/
Lab. uvular: /qʷ qˀʷ χʷ/

Vowels: /i u e a ə/

Probably crazy consonant clusters. Voiced consonants always have to appear after a vowel.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Bristel » 08 Feb 2011 23:23

I love that phoneme set, ronin.

I have studied a bit of Lushootseed Salish, and it is a really interesting language... and REALLY hard to pronounce sometimes.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 08 Feb 2011 23:24

Bristel wrote:I love that phoneme set, ronin.

I have studied a bit of Lushootseed Salish, and it is a really interesting language... and REALLY hard to pronounce sometimes.
Lushootseed is sexy. I love Salish, I've done most of my actual linguistics work on Montana Salish.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Bristel » 08 Feb 2011 23:40

roninbodhisattva wrote:
Bristel wrote:I love that phoneme set, ronin.

I have studied a bit of Lushootseed Salish, and it is a really interesting language... and REALLY hard to pronounce sometimes.
Lushootseed is sexy. I love Salish, I've done most of my actual linguistics work on Montana Salish.
I'd love to do work on Lushootseed Salish... I'm from the area it is spoken, so that would be really cool.

I'm listening to wordlists for Montana Salish now...

1 páʕəlqs grey dress
2 pəlpílʃ stagger
3 tʃʼupélsi lonesome
4 pólpəlqən thimbleberry
5 púlsəm he killed something
6 jál round
7 séliʃ Flathead, Salish
8 tmílkʷʼ always
9 (ʔi)nəʕʷóˀl(kʷ) empty

:-D

I want to make a Salish-esque language someday. I should create a phonology so I can work on it when I'm not so busy with other conlangs.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 08 Feb 2011 23:58

This is just one of my favorite verb forms ever:

ta u ł'éʔ qe qsčənʔawqisqáχeʔmłəls.
ta u łéʔ qe qs-č-n-ʔaw=qin=sqáχeʔ-m-łul-es.
NEG and close 1PL.OBJ IRR-at-in-call=head=domestic.animal-DER.TR-TR-3TR.SBJ
'He won't sick his dogs on us again.'

I just...it's so cool.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by clockworkbanana » 09 Feb 2011 00:00

/p t k/
/s/
/m n ŋ/
/ʙ r ʀ/
/l ʟ/

/i a u/ or /i a o/

Not exactly "normal" but I like small inventories with simple syllable structures that are odd and allophonically wacky (I'm planning to have both vowel and consonant harmonies).

Someone else could use it with more complex syllables. Or whatever.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » 09 Feb 2011 00:02

roninbodhisattva wrote:This is just one of my favorite verb forms ever:

ta u ł'éʔ qe qsčənʔawqisqáχeʔmłəls.
ta u łéʔ qe qs-č-n-ʔaw=qin=sqáχeʔ-m-łul-es.
NEG and close 1PL.OBJ IRR-at-in-call=head=domestic.animal-DER.TR-TR-3TR.SBJ
'He won't sick his dogs on us again.'

I just...it's so cool.
Is that... an endoclitic!? o.o
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » 09 Feb 2011 00:09

Aww. Endoclitics are awesome.
My pronouns are <xie> [ʒiː] / <xer> [ʒɚ]

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 09 Feb 2011 00:12

Lexical suffixes are actually pretty damn spiffy too.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Bristel » 09 Feb 2011 00:46

Salish sentences are so bad-ass... I'm definitely doing a Salishlang someday. :D
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 09 Feb 2011 00:56

I think I might do a Salish-inspired speed lang tonight if I have the chance/time.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Nortaneous » 09 Feb 2011 01:31

Micamo wrote:Aww. Endoclitics are awesome.
Sérhes Kéttw has a metathesis process in VCVCV sequences that sort of gives it endoclitics: séma=ia /'sema=ja/ > séima /'sejma/ (=ia is the interrogative topic clitic)

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by cybrxkhan » 09 Feb 2011 02:38

This is for my newest project, the Yuh family, which is basically a pretty small family of languages I'm playing with to learn about sound changes and that kind of stuff. Most of the Yuh languages are superficially inspired by the Polynesian and Meso-American languages, particularly Hawaiian, Mayan, and Nahua. So far I have the inventories for Proto-Yuh and its most commonly-spoken direct daughter language, Otaiyan:

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Consonants
Stops: /p t k/ <p t k>
Fricatives: /f s h/ <f s h>
Nasals: /m n/ <m n>
Approximants: /w ɺ ʋ j/ <w l v y>

Vowels
/a a: e e: i i: ə ə: o o: u u:/ <a ā e ē i ī ä ǟ o ō u ū>

Consonant Clusters
/tj kj tɺ kɺ pɺ nɺ mɺ/

It's a little boring, but I decided to keep it simple so that it would be easier for me to learn sound changes. And here's the inventory for Otaiyan, after some sound changes:

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Consonants
Stops: /p b t d k g ‘/ <p b t d k g ʔ>
Fricatives: /s z h/ <s z h>
Nasals: /m n ɲ/ <m n nh>
Approximants: /l ɹ j/ <l r y>
Affricates: /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/

Vowels
/a e i ə o u/ <a e i ǔ o u>

Consonant Clusters
/tl kl pl nl ml ɲl tɹ kɹ/

I'll probably get to another branch of the Yuh family, the Duroccan language, sometime later tomorrow or the day after that.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Bristel » 09 Feb 2011 04:37

-Athanic-
/p b t d k ɡ ʔ/ <p b t d c g '>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ń>
/r r̥ ɾ l l̥/ <ŕ hŕ r l hl>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <f~ph v~bh th dh s z sh zh ch gh h>
/j w/ <j w>

/i iː y yː u uː e eː ø ə ɤ ɤː ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː a aː/ <i ii ü üü u uu e ee oe e~a ö e ee o oo a aa>
/ĩ ẽ ɛ̃ ã ũ ɔ̃/ <į ę ę ą ų ǫ>

Allophony:
/k/ → [c] <c> /_i, _e
/g/ → [ɟ] <g>
/n/ → [ɲ] <n>
/s/ → [ɕ] <s>
/z/ → [ʑ] <z>
/x/ → [ç] <ch>
/ɣ/ → [ʝ] <gh>


Phonotactics:

CV(V/C)(C)(:)

(restrictions haven't been created yet, but I think most words will have POA cluster restrictions)

Trust me, this phonology used to be worse... it once had a pharyngeal consonant, and pharyngealized vowels...
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Omzinesý » 09 Feb 2011 22:21

I have a nice phonology for a language I call Vta [ʙta]. It has only bilabial and alveolar consonants.

p[b/p] t[d/t]
s[z/s]
m[m] n[n]
v[ʙ] r[r]

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 10 Feb 2011 05:33

A small random phonology I came up with inspired by Miapimoquitch, Tokana and Numic languages.

Stop/affricates: /p t ts k q/ p t z k q
Fricatives: /θ s h/ th s h
Nasals: /m n/ m n
Resonants: /w l ɾ y/ w l r y

Short Vowels: /i ʉ u e o a/ i ü u e o a[/b]
Long vowels: /i: u: a:/ ii uu aa
Diphthongs: /ia ʉa ua ea ai/ ia üa ua ea ai

Syllables must have an onset, but word initially there may be empty onsets. Between vowels, there may occur a single consonant (any C), a geminate obstruent or nasal (except /h/), a nasal + obstruent cluster, or miscellaneous clusters. Between vowels, the stops are voiced and spirantized. After a nasal, the stops appear voiced. Fricatives are voiced after a long vowel or diphthong.High vowels are devoiced between /h/ and a voiceless consonant or after /h/ word finally:

/p t ts k q/ > [β ð z ɣ ʁ] / V_V
/mp nt nts ŋk nq/ > [mb nd n(d)z ŋg ɴɢ]
/θ s h/ > [ð z ɣ] / VV_
/i ʉ u/ > [I Ü U] / h_{C-vc, #}

Root finally, the consonants [t k s n ɾ] or a 'final feature' may occur. Other morphemes do not end in consonants, but instead end in final features. Either spirantizing (written =), geminating (written +), or nasalizing (written N). These interact with following initial consonants in various ways. I won't go into that here.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » 10 Feb 2011 06:06

Something a little polynesian in flavor, but with a uvular twist:

/m n ŋ p t k q ʔ s h l ʍ/
/i e u o a i: e: u: o: a:/

CV(V)

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