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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Micamo » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 15:25

Omzinesý wrote:What's the diferesnce between ʟ and lˠ?
[lˠ] has the coronal portion of the tongue making the usual [l] shape, with the dorsal part of the tongue arched toward the velum (velarization on an alveolar lateral). [ʟ] has the dorsal part of the tongue against the velum with the sides dropped, with the coronal part taking no position (velar lateral).
My pronouns are <xie> [ʒiː] / <xer> [ʒɚ]

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 15:47

testyal1 wrote:Stops: /p p̪ t t̪ k/<p pt t tt k/
Can you actually do [p̪]? It always ends up as either [p̪f] or [f] for me.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 16:19

roninbodhisattva wrote:
testyal1 wrote:Stops: /p p̪ t t̪ k/<p pt t tt k/
Can you actually do [p̪]? It always ends up as either [p̪f] or [f] for me.
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Omzinesý wrote:What's the diferesnce between ʟ and lˠ?
[lˠ] has the coronal portion of the tongue making the usual [l] shape, with the dorsal part of the tongue arched toward the velum (velarization on an alveolar lateral). [ʟ] has the dorsal part of the tongue against the velum with the sides dropped, with the coronal part taking no position (velar lateral).
Do you think that would be a stable distinction over time?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by clockworkbanana » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 20:31

Omzinesý wrote:
clockworkbanana wrote: /p pˠ t tˠ tʷ k kʷ/
/ɸ s sˠ sʷ x/
/m mˠ n nˠ nʷ ŋ ŋʷ/
/ʙ ʙˠ r rˠ rʷ ʀ ʀʷ/
/l lˠ lʷ ʟ ʟʷ/

/i æ ø e a ɔ y ɶ o/
I have never seen a phonology with so many l:s.
What's the differences between ʟ and lˠ?
Bilabial trill is always a nice sound. How does a velarized bilabial trill sound? Rather terrible?
There are 7 front vowels and 2(very close to each other) back vowels.) Harmonic?
But a nice try.
Like I said, ready for plenty of collapses and mergers. Tho I might change y to ɯ, now that I look at it.
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Omzinesý wrote:What's the diferesnce between ʟ and lˠ?
[lˠ] has the coronal portion of the tongue making the usual [l] shape, with the dorsal part of the tongue arched toward the velum (velarization on an alveolar lateral). [ʟ] has the dorsal part of the tongue against the velum with the sides dropped, with the coronal part taking no position (velar lateral).
Do you think that would be a stable distinction over time?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 21:42

Something based on Arabic, because I'm watching coverage of the events there.

Consonants
/b t d dʒ k q ʔ/
/f θ s z ʃ (χ) ʁ h/
/m n/
/w l j r/

Short vowels
/i/ - ~ [ɪ]
/u/ - ~ [ʊ]
/a/ - [æ] ~ [ɑ] (may even tend to [ɛ])
/ə/ - [ə] ~ [ɜ]

Long vowels and diphthongs
/i:/ - [i:] ~ ~ [ej]
/u:/ - [u:] ~ ~ [ow]
/e:/ - [e:] - [e]
/o:/ - [o:] - [o]
/a:/ - [ɑ:] ~ [ɑ]
/aj/ - [æj]
/aw/ - [ɑw]

Long vowels are shortened word finally, and before two voiceless consonants. [ej] and [ow] allomorphs of /i:/ and /u:/ occur adjacent to uvulars. I haven't decided if I want /χ/ as a full phoneme, but I'm going to have /q/ go between [χ] and [q]. Roots have basically the following shape:

CV(C)CV(C), where V is any vowel/diphthong

There many be longer or shorter forms. Haven't thought about clusters yet. Just a small squib.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by cybrxkhan » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 21:44

I was going to make an Arab-inspired conlang sometime in the far future, but anyhow... will this have the triconsonantal root system?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 21:48

cybrxkhan wrote:I was going to make an Arab-inspired conlang sometime in the far future, but anyhow... will this have the triconsonantal root system?
Nope. But maybe ablaut?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Bristel » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 05:20

Omzinesý wrote:
clockworkbanana wrote: /p pˠ t tˠ tʷ k kʷ/
/ɸ s sˠ sʷ x/
/m mˠ n nˠ nʷ ŋ ŋʷ/
/ʙ ʙˠ r rˠ rʷ ʀ ʀʷ/
/l lˠ lʷ ʟ ʟʷ/

/i æ ø e a ɔ y ɶ o/
I have never seen a phonology with so many l:s.
What's the diferesnce between ʟ and lˠ?
Bilabial trill is asways a nice sound. How does a velarised bilabial trill sound? Rather terrible?
There are 7 front vowels and 2(very close to each other) back vowels.) Harmonic?
But a nice try.
There are 4 phonemically distinct <L> sounds in Old Irish. Having one more isn't too much of a stretch.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 17:14

A wee little thing

/b t dʒ k kʷ ʔ s h m n ɾ w/
/i a o/

CV(V) syllable structure. C is optional word initially. Legal vowel clusters are /ia io ai ao oa/. Some words generated with it (I actually quite like it):

ka
so
moaʔibia
haomia
onao
osia
aʔoa
sai
ino
a
ma
ɾoa
amo
tiʔo
kaisiɾi
kʷidʒosi
aka
ao
okao
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Omzinesý » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 17:34

roninbodhisattva wrote:A wee little thing

/b t dʒ k kʷ ʔ s h m n ɾ w/
/i a o/
dʒ is theonly sounded obstruent. Why?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 17:41

The only voiced you mean? There's /b/ too. And pretty much just cuz I wanted to.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ear of the Sphinx » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 17:42

Omzinesý wrote:
roninbodhisattva wrote:A wee little thing
/b t dʒ k kʷ ʔ s h m n ɾ w/
/i a o/
dʒ is theonly sounded obstruent. Why?
b is thesecond sounded obstruent. Why?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by cybrxkhan » Sat 12 Feb 2011, 20:12

I like wee little phonologies, to be honest. Also because I don't have to make a crazy orthography for them.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by roninbodhisattva » Sun 13 Feb 2011, 04:59

And something yet again, because really, what else do I do, but spin webs of phonemes in my head:

/p t d c ɟ k q f s z ʃ x ɣ h m n r w j/
/i i: e e: a a: u u: aj aw/

CVC maximal syllables.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by xinda » Sun 13 Feb 2011, 05:08

http://000024.org/cgi-bin/gleb.cgi

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by cybrxkhan » Sun 13 Feb 2011, 05:25

O_O

Has a computer program taken away the very meaning of the creative act of making a phonology?

Just kidding, just kidding. It's a sweet thing there, it is! Although it doesn't list syllable structure or what not...
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ceresz » Sun 13 Feb 2011, 05:26

It's useful when in need of new ideas, but other than that major modifying is very often required.
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