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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Lao Kou » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 17:04

'S okay. [:)]
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 18:38

Came up with a functional example of the ergative case. Here you have the neuter noun "fésnan" meaning "stone, rock" in the ergative in the first sentence, and in the instrumental in the second sentence:

Fésnanza yégeman estaúnet. "The stone was blocking the road".

Yégems fésnah estaúnetar. "The road was [being] blocked by the stone".

I guess it's going to be pretty rare that any neuter noun appears in the ergative case, but it's there if you need it. [:P]
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by k1234567890y » Thu 09 Aug 2018, 21:20

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
Thu 09 Aug 2018, 18:38
Came up with a functional example of the ergative case. Here you have the neuter noun "fésnan" meaning "stone, rock" in the ergative in the first sentence, and in the instrumental in the second sentence:

Fésnanza yégeman estaúnet. "The stone was blocking the road".

Yégems fésnah estaúnetar. "The road was [being] blocked by the stone".

I guess it's going to be pretty rare that any neuter noun appears in the ergative case, but it's there if you need it. [:P]
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 00:05

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
Thu 09 Aug 2018, 18:38
Came up with a functional example of the ergative case. Here you have the neuter noun "fésnan" meaning "stone, rock" in the ergative in the first sentence, and in the instrumental in the second sentence:

Fésnanza yégeman estaúnet. "The stone was blocking the road".

Yégems fésnah estaúnetar. "The road was [being] blocked by the stone".

I guess it's going to be pretty rare that any neuter noun appears in the ergative case, but it's there if you need it. [:P]
Cool!

Could you explain exactly what you meant by "functional" here?
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:19

shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 10 Aug 2018, 00:05
Could you explain exactly what you meant by "functional" here?

What's there to laugh at?
I just meant that up until now, the ergative case only existed in declension tables and I had not actually used it in any sentences (i.e. hadn't come up with any neuter nouns being used as subjects of transitive verbs).

And he was probably just commenting on the fact that I indicated it's not a particularly useful case as the incidence of usage is relatively rare (which may explain why the case died out in most other Mantic languages [xP] ).
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:26

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
Fri 10 Aug 2018, 02:19
I just meant that up until now, the ergative case only existed in declension tables and I had not actually used it in any sentences (i.e. hadn't come up with any neuter nouns being used as subjects of transitive verbs).
Ah, got it! Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ælfwine » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 00:28

In my romlang, I've decided that the outcome of the second palatalization will be /tʃ dʒ/ before /a/ and /tɕ dʑ/ before /ɛ e i/. This produces a nice alternation between between casê [ˈtʃæsɛː] "house" and citê(t) [tɕiˈtɛː(t)] "city."

Until I read more about earlier developments in PGmc/PN, I'm working on later developments in Vestmannic (né Mannish). So I've assumed that instead of assimilating /mp nt ŋk/ to /pp tt kk/ as did Old West Norse, I'd follow Old Irish and have /mp nt ŋk/ become /b d g/. There may be sporadic changes to /pp tt kk/ though, as contact with Scandinavia increases again around this time.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 01:03

Assigned glyphs to private use codes and added diacritics to indicate palatalization along with the standard vowel diacritics:
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 03:51

I spent Friday and Saturday awake long enough to coin 100 new Kankonian words before 12:00 a.m. Sunday.

I coined *esya, as the translation for the ditransitive sense of "to turn". As a resultative Kankonian ditransitive verb, it takes ad (to) before its complement adjective (or complement noun):

Abam id kopbuzes as haug, mui yasta tri venit as khaim mem *esyass ad wowum arig na o!
eat done_to blueberry-PL PRS fun and part SUPL good PRS the_fact_that 3p turn-PST to blue tongue of one
Eating blueberries is fun, and the best part is they turn your tongue blue!

Other useful concepts that now have Kankonian words:

stekivir: to formulate (a political/social view); formulation
foukhsa: inner cheek (to bite one's cheek is zentz mai foukhsat na o)
dzakordizan: BD/SM
krakhiniz: kratom
hugwiz: love, love and joy, delight (as in "She's my . . ."); PYT/tenderoni is the rhyming hugwiz mamiz (mamiz means young)
zuinass: subsidy (ablaut on zoiness, to subsidize, to fund, to finance)
tishiglumon: lorazepam
paris: folk singer (from paru, folk music + -is, equivalent to -ist); incidentally, this is a homonym of paris, a thalassemic, from the eponymous kesos na Para (Para's disease) for thalssemia
ksubika: hip replacement, plastic hip
shughrum: flusher
blemaisk: newscast, news show; news (as in "I'm watching the news") (blend of blemaski, news, and maikrimia, TV)
gornupusha: newsgroup (from Javarti: gornu, discussion + püxa, to keep, to hold)
lezhivodza: mailing list (from Javarti: leji, all + vodza, to send)
tabagizdu: carbon copy, CC (of email) (from Javarti: taba, the Jukasta root for message + gizdu, clone)
ashagizdu: blind carbon copy, BCC (from Javarti, axa, veil + gizdu)
bmivi: pencil moustache
tikinolanushuri (or tikinola or nolanushuri for short): ditali, ditalini (from Hitan: tikinola, thimble (tiki, finger + nola, cover) and nushuri, pasta (from nu, water + shuri, bread))
vitil: skinny tie
dibago: door knocker
tithtz: baggie containing a tithitzandar of marijuana (shortened from tithitzandar, of course)
udadsever: generativity (Ciladian udad, generation (ud, birth + -ad, suffix for set) and Ciladian sebher, to teach; to learn)
yayarwintis (sing-eunuch) or waimaswintis (voice-eunuch): castrato
argaslaitzem: G-string worn by an octopus (from argas, many + laitzem, as in balaitzem, diphthong or elaitzem, triphthong)
derhakoup: truckload, buttload, cartload (from der, inside + hakoup, wagon)
swaifau: to croon
zhiowimindi: having lost one's sense of proprioception (from zhi-, self + o, one + imindi, lost, as in not knowing where one is)
zhiowimindios: loss of proprioception (from zhiowimindi and -os, an abstract noun suffix like -ness)
eitepf: allergic salute
brethmuv: wheat germ
Atawa: Ottawa (borrowed from Earth, of course)
kanazh: to keep up with (not misplace)
Melboern: Melbourne (same origin as Ottawa)

And some idioms:

Iamas na wan on en invushemi. He couldn't keep his story straight. ("His claims weren't together.")
Gos kuless an kheri. It takes two to tango. ("An egg needs a sperm.")
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Post by k1234567890y » Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:04

As Plattdytch and Town Speech/Urban Basanawa are basically the same language with different writing systems(which also happens in Hindi vs. Urdu, Serbian vs. Croatian, and to some extent Standard German vs. Yiddish and Tunisian Arabic vs. Maltese), I decided to give them an unified term, namely Town Speech-Plattdytch. in a manner similar to Hindi-Urdu and Serbo-Croatian.

Also, I have worked out the constructions equivalent to English "too ADJ to V" and "so ADJ that V" for Lonmai Luna(the main structures have been made long ago, I added a new way to express "too ADJ to V" in Lonmai Luna), Town Speech-Plattdytch and Kavrinian(Kavrinian is a collablang of Ridley while I do most parts of it...).
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:13

k1234567890y wrote:
Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:04
Also, I have worked out the constructions equivalent to English "too ADJ to V" and "so ADJ that V" for Lonmai Luna(the main structures have been made long ago, I added a new way to express "too ADJ to V" in Lonmai Luna), Town Speech-Plattdytch and Kavrinian(Kavrinian is a collablang of Ridley while I do most parts of it...).
Cool. How would you translate each of the following sentences?

1. Jessica is too arrogant to apologize.
2. The weather outside was too cold to swim. / The weather outside was too cold for us to swim.
3. That tiger is too noble to tame.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by qwed117 » Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:14

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Post by k1234567890y » Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:40

Khemehekis wrote:
Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:13
k1234567890y wrote:
Sun 19 Aug 2018, 04:04
Also, I have worked out the constructions equivalent to English "too ADJ to V" and "so ADJ that V" for Lonmai Luna(the main structures have been made long ago, I added a new way to express "too ADJ to V" in Lonmai Luna), Town Speech-Plattdytch and Kavrinian(Kavrinian is a collablang of Ridley while I do most parts of it...).
Cool. How would you translate each of the following sentences?

1. Jessica is too arrogant to apologize.
2. The weather outside was too cold to swim. / The weather outside was too cold for us to swim.
3. That tiger is too noble to tame.
Town Speech-Plattdytch(I will use the Plattdytch variant here):

The Town Speech-Plattdytch strategy is basically the same to that of English, as it is also a North Sea West Germanic language(but not Anglo-Frisian)
1. Jessika is too hoochmoodig to forandshuldigen inself.
2. de wedder autside was too kold to swimmen. / de wedder autside was too kold for us to swimmen.
3. de tiger is too eddel to temmen.
(Note: Town Speech would use Sino-Xenic words for "arrogant" here, and the Town Speech word for "tiger" has a different source language.)

Lonmai Luna:

Lonmai Luna has two ways to say "too ADJ to V":
1.
alen Djesika komar harta fas hir dala modo daler bolsto(strategy 1)
interlinear: PND Jessica arrogant too.much so that 3.PRON NEG want apologize

alen Dessika komar harta nil bolsto(strategy 2)
interlinear: PND Jessica arrogant too.much in.respect.of apologize

2-1.
on delonir war salso harta fas hir dalki modo pan onsep(strategy 1)
interlinear: the weather out cold too.much so that one(indefinite pronoun) NEG be.able swim

on delonir war salso harta nil onsep(strategy 2)
interlinear: the weather out cold too.much in.respect.of swim

2-2.
on delonir mal e waro salso harta fas hir seka modo pan onsep(always strategy 1)
interlinear: the weather out cold too.much so that 1.PL.INCL NEG be.able swim

3.
on tasha kemake harta fas hir dalki modo pan djama dala(strategy 1)
interlinear: the tiger noble too.much so that one(indefinite pronoun) NEG be.able tame 3.PRON

on tasha kemake harta nil djama dala(strategy 2)
interlinear: the tiger noble too.much in.respect.of tame 3.PRON

(I borrowed a Tungusic word for the word for Tiger in Lonmai Luna here...as there are no native mammals in the world where Lonmai Luna was spoken and all mammals there were broght by some Tungusic-speaking people "transferred" there)

Not going to show the Kavrinian way here. One can read it here: https://conworkshop.com/view_article.ph ... 8701ee13e1
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » Mon 20 Aug 2018, 01:02

"Be able to" or "want to" vs. "in respect of" . . . very nice! And I'm fascinated by your conbiological history in which Tungusic speakers introduce humans and other mammals to the world of the long-longs. Do the speakers of Lonmai Luna have birds, or fish, or insects, or any other classes or phyla of animals we know from Earth native to their planet?
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Post by k1234567890y » Mon 20 Aug 2018, 05:14

Khemehekis wrote:
Mon 20 Aug 2018, 01:02
Do the speakers of Lonmai Luna have birds, or fish, or insects, or any other classes or phyla of animals we know from Earth native to their planet?
yes

they just don't have native mammals.

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Post by k1234567890y » Fri 24 Aug 2018, 23:36

I successfully made a font for the Sitr Script...
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » Wed 29 Aug 2018, 22:53

k1234567890y wrote:
Mon 20 Aug 2018, 05:14
they just don't have native mammals.

and thanks for your liking (:
You're welcome.

Do you have a name for the class to which the long-longs belong? (Or should that be belong-belong?)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by eldin raigmore » Thu 30 Aug 2018, 09:42

Much more than I expected to! Mostly about real life, and conworlding.
I may be caught up by 9:00am Friday morning; I hope so!
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Post by k1234567890y » Thu 30 Aug 2018, 22:30

Khemehekis wrote:
Wed 29 Aug 2018, 22:53
k1234567890y wrote:
Mon 20 Aug 2018, 05:14
they just don't have native mammals.

and thanks for your liking (:
You're welcome.

Do you have a name for the class to which the long-longs belong? (Or should that be belong-belong?)
http://conworld.wikia.com/wiki/Lonniformia
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » Thu 30 Aug 2018, 23:34

That was fun to read! You've clearly put thought into their taxonomy. (I also learned a bit of natbiology: amphibians don't have ankles!)

BTW, saying "Lonniformia animals" sounds a bit awkward. How about using the plural "lonniforms"? Just as we say "reptiles" instead of "Reptilia animals". The same with "Amniota animals" -- it should be "amniotes".
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