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English Orthography Reform

Post by Visinoid » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:16

Hey guys, since we talked about how English orthography was off the map for nowadays pronounced English, I'd thought we could create our own reform and practice it in the forum. I'm sure you'll find it cool at the end, because it's going to be the work of a community and not of a single man. (Think about the MOST STANDARD English...)

Remember!
It doesn't have to be highly regular!

I propose:

<th> for /θ/
<dh> for /ð/

Yet, only this makes English different by spelling "dhe", "dhat", "dhese", "dhose", which are really cute in my opinion. :3

My goal would be to have made you guys come up with a cool reform and use it in my notes, everybody would be like wow, what language is that? And I'd be like, it's English! It was created somewhere on the Interwebz.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Aszev » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:22

This comes to mind

Also, starting with /T D/ seems like a futile approach, their distribution and the use of <th> makes the pronunciation of them quite predictable, unless you start changing a bunch of other stuff too, but then again you'll have to start with something else beforehand.
Edit: Also, most of these attempts will end up with 10 different suggestions all of which notoriously include <þ ð> but ignore messes like <ea>.
Sound change works in mysterious ways.

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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Visinoid » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:25

The main purpose of this isn't to make a reform that everybody on Earth will use in the future, but only the thrill to say WE, at CBB, created something. :)

Dhóz hu apruv shall fello mi. :/

Edit: ONE RULE. No eth, neither the other one, dear GOD. O.o'
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Pirka » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:29

Al the no-dieacrittic-or-weerd-ASCII-caructer reforms that I've made up prety much looked like this, as if a childe had written it.
Visinoid wrote:Edit: ONE RULE. No eth, neither the other one, dear GOD. O.o'
It's a þorn. What's wrong with them? I like <ð>, myself...
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:32

Please... not another English spelling reform topic.

It's fine. Really, it is.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Pirka » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:34

Thakowsaizmu wrote:Please... not another English spelling reform topic.

It's fine. Really, it is.
It's fun.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Visinoid » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 02:38

Thakowsaizmu wrote:Please... not another English spelling reform topic.

It's fine. Really, it is.
Because there were other ones? T_T
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Ryanvadar » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 03:16

My English spelling reform

a: ɑː and ɒ á - æ
e - ɛ
é - eɪ
i - ɪ
í - iː
o - ɔː
ó - oʊ
u - ʌ
ú - uː
y - ə
ý - ʊ
ai- aɪ
au- aʊ
oi- ɔɪ
yu- juː
Accents are dropped when before another vowel or at the end of a word.

These letters always have their IPA values: b, d, f, g, h, k, l, m, p, s, t, v, w, z
dh - ð
ng - ŋ
th - θ
sh - ʃ
ch - tʃ
j - dʒ
zh - ʒ
All rhotic sounds are r.
Example:
Dhis iz mai ingglish speling ríform prypózyl. Wyrdz ar speld fynetikli. Dhér ar no kynfyúzing spelingz.
This is my English spelling reform proposal. Words are spelled phonetically. There are no confusing spellings.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 03:37

Visinoid wrote:
Thakowsaizmu wrote:Please... not another English spelling reform topic.

It's fine. Really, it is.
Because there were other ones? T_T
Hundreds upon hundreds.
Pirka wrote:
Thakowsaizmu wrote:Please... not another English spelling reform topic.

It's fine. Really, it is.
It's fun.
Eh, not really. They always look retarded.
Ryanvadar wrote:My English spelling reform
...
Example:
Dhis iz mai ingglish speling ríform prypózyl. Wyrdz ar speld fynetikli. Dhér ar no kynfyúzing spelingz.
This is my English spelling reform proposal. Words are spelled phonetically. There are no confusing spellings.
Congratulations, you just proved my point. But not only that, what you have there doesn't accurately present any diealect but your own.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Pirka » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 03:49

They may look retarded, but it's still fun to make them. Each to his own?
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Visinoid » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 03:50

Thakowsaizmu wrote: Congratulations, you just proved my point. But not only that, what you have there doesn't accurately present any diealect but your own.
It's awkward to your eyes; to mines, the orthography looks cool.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 03:55

Tushe. Zhë vwa skë ty vø digh.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Visinoid » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 04:56

Thakowsaizmu wrote:Tushe. Zhë vwa skë ty vø digh.
I don't how, but it took not even 5 seconds to understand you wrote in French... O.o Maybe because I'm used to the ways conlangers here type those sounds... Ok, not a single friend of mine would be able to read that. Nonetheless, awkwardness would only be present to those used to the old system, in another generation it would pass without problems.

I wish French orthography were that way... It looks awesome.

Zh'l'adopt. Kôvêky. :)
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Ànradh » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 06:29

I've noticed that with these spelling reforms, I always feel the need to read them as though I can't move my jaw...
Sin ar Pàrras agus nì sinne mar a thogras sinn. Choisinn sinn e agus ’s urrainn dhuinn ga loisgeadh.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Valoski » Fri 04 Nov 2011, 09:11

I love the idea of a spelling reform. I think it needs to fit standard English and American dialects. For example, <ar> in American dialects is /kʰɑɻ/ (vowel and approximant), but in English, <ar> represents the long vowel /kʰɑ:/. Just a thought.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Xing » Sat 05 Nov 2011, 11:13

Valoski wrote:For example, <ar> in American dialects is /kʰɑɻ/ (vowel and approximant), but in English, <ar> represents the long vowel /kʰɑ:/. Just a thought.
It does already, doesn't it?
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Valoski » Thu 10 Nov 2011, 15:15

xingoxa wrote:
Valoski wrote:For example, <ar> in American dialects is /kʰɑɻ/ (vowel and approximant), but in English, <ar> represents the long vowel /kʰɑ:/. Just a thought.
It does already, doesn't it?
Yes.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Prinsessa » Fri 11 Nov 2011, 03:34

Thakowsaizmu wrote:Congratulations, you just proved my point. But not only that, what you have there doesn't accurately present any diealect but your own.
congladuraters you're are or hunder thosand vister clic her to clam your'r pricer!
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Fri 11 Nov 2011, 03:41

Skógvur wrote:
Thakowsaizmu wrote:Congratulations, you just proved my point. But not only that, what you have there doesn't accurately present any diealect but your own.
congladuraters you're are or hunder thosand vister clic her to clam your'r pricer!
Yes. That was relevant. Thank you.
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Re: English Orthography Reform

Post by thetha » Fri 11 Nov 2011, 04:03

[aɪ θĩʔ 'wɨʃədʑəs 'ɹ̠ʷaɪɾn̩ 'aɪp͡ɸijɛː ɒ̠ː ð̩tʰam]
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