A forum for discussing linguistics or just languages in general.
-
clawgrip
- MVP

- Posts: 2371
- Joined: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 06:33
- Location: Tokyo
Post
by clawgrip » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 12:17
Alessio wrote:Ha, just found another one.
取る toru - to take

(Emilian local language)
tōr - to take
Note that the <u> in <toru> is nearly silent.
The /u/ in 取る toru is always voiced and clearly pronounced.
All4Ɇn wrote:
可愛いkawaii- cute
可愛ka ai- passable love or
可愛kě'ài- lovable
可愛い kawaii is etymologically Chinese, so this is a true cognate, not a false one.
Looks like I was too slow on the 攝 thing. It is indeed a simplified in Japanese as 摂. Three identical elements sometimes get simplified as that X thing plus one copy (cf. 澁 → 渋, 壘 → 塁).
Last edited by
clawgrip on Thu 20 Apr 2017, 14:05, edited 1 time in total.
-
Lao Kou
- korean

- Posts: 5554
- Joined: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 10:39
- Location: 蘇州/苏州
Post
by Lao Kou » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 13:18
clawgrip wrote:Looks like I was too slow on the 攝 thing. It is indeed a simplified in Japanese as 摂.
And apparently, can
also be read as
toru (as in: 食事を摂る). Mind, I'd be keeping my big bazoo shut if "photography" were written 摂影 -- wouldn't be loving it, natch, but wouldn't be wringing the life out of a tea towel, either.
☯ 道可道,非常道
☯ 名可名,非常名
-
clawgrip
- MVP

- Posts: 2371
- Joined: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 06:33
- Location: Tokyo
Post
by clawgrip » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 13:37
I really only know 摂 from 摂津 Settsu, an old Japanese province.
-
Lao Kou
- korean

- Posts: 5554
- Joined: Sun 25 Nov 2012, 10:39
- Location: 蘇州/苏州
Post
by Lao Kou » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 13:52
clawgrip wrote:I really only know 摂 from 摂津 Settsu, an old Japanese province.
From what you and GrandPiano have described, this is where 摂 gets the bulk of its airplay.
☯ 道可道,非常道
☯ 名可名,非常名
-
MrKrov
- cleardarkness

- Posts: 2414
- Joined: Thu 12 Aug 2010, 01:47
- Location: /ai/ > /a:/
-
Contact:
Post
by MrKrov » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 19:39
clawgrip wrote:可愛い kawaii is etymologically Chinese, so this is a true cognate, not a false one.
wiktionary per 可愛い wrote:Shift in pronunciation from kawayui below.[1]
The kanji spelling 可愛い is an example of ateji (当て字), and uses an irregular reading of 愛. The phonological resemblance to Chinese 可愛 (kě'ài, “lovable”) is coincidental. Note that the medial -w- here is not an excrescence added between ka (可) and ai (愛), since the word is not formed from these morphemes.
...
A contraction of classical 顔映し /kahahayushi/ → /kahayushi/.[1] Medial /ha/ becomes [wa] via synchronic phonological processes. It is unclear if the word before contraction was initially realized as *[kahahayushi] or as *[kawawayushi].
-
All4Ɇn
- mayan

- Posts: 1671
- Joined: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 07:19
Post
by All4Ɇn » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 20:25
Whoops just saw MrKrov's post above
-
clawgrip
- MVP

- Posts: 2371
- Joined: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 06:33
- Location: Tokyo
Post
by clawgrip » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 23:20
Well there you go, guess I should have looked that one up. That w was highly suspicious, after all.
-
GrandPiano
- mayan

- Posts: 2313
- Joined: Sun 11 Jan 2015, 23:22
- Location: Ohio, USA
Post
by GrandPiano » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 19:56

Zhuang
dou "door" (Sawndip 都 or 偷*) -
door
*There is one more Sawndip character according to Wiktionary, but I get an error message if I try to include it in this post; see here.
-
DesEsseintes
- cleardarkness

- Posts: 4551
- Joined: Sun 31 Mar 2013, 12:16
Post
by DesEsseintes » Tue 25 Apr 2017, 14:50
I don't think I've seen this mentioned:
Malay: muka n. face
Japanese: 向かう mukau v. to face
-
k1234567890y
- runic

- Posts: 2745
- Joined: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 04:47
-
Contact:
Post
by k1234567890y » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 15:57
English woman and Old Japanese 女 /womi1na/ "woman"
私のアツい人工言語活動!言カツ!始まります!!
-
GrandPiano
- mayan

- Posts: 2313
- Joined: Sun 11 Jan 2015, 23:22
- Location: Ohio, USA
Post
by GrandPiano » Tue 02 May 2017, 20:30
cão "dog" -
狗 gǒu "dog"
-
All4Ɇn
- mayan

- Posts: 1671
- Joined: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 07:19
Post
by All4Ɇn » Sun 07 May 2017, 04:57
cổ "neck"
cou "neck"
-
clawgrip
- MVP

- Posts: 2371
- Joined: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 06:33
- Location: Tokyo
Post
by clawgrip » Sun 07 May 2017, 05:20
Not sure if it was mentioned or not, but:
so "in this/that/the stated manner"
sō "in that/the stated manner"
This one always stood out to me.
e.g.
そう思う。
Sō omou.
"I think so."
-
GrandPiano
- mayan

- Posts: 2313
- Joined: Sun 11 Jan 2015, 23:22
- Location: Ohio, USA
Post
by GrandPiano » Sun 07 May 2017, 18:54
I think I mentioned that one a while ago - or if I didn't, I meant to. Definitely an interesting coincidence.
Perhaps one could also add
así "so" (same as

そう or こう).
-
clawgrip
- MVP

- Posts: 2371
- Joined: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 06:33
- Location: Tokyo
Post
by clawgrip » Mon 08 May 2017, 14:05
(Don't forget ああ).
But how is así similar to these words?
-
DesEsseintes
- cleardarkness

- Posts: 4551
- Joined: Sun 31 Mar 2013, 12:16
Post
by DesEsseintes » Mon 08 May 2017, 16:23
clawgrip wrote:(Don't forget ああ).
But how is así similar to these words?
![+1 [+1]](./images/smilies/plusone.png)
-
GrandPiano
- mayan

- Posts: 2313
- Joined: Sun 11 Jan 2015, 23:22
- Location: Ohio, USA
Post
by GrandPiano » Mon 08 May 2017, 20:18
clawgrip wrote:(Don't forget ああ).
But how is así similar to these words?
If you take away the /a/ at the beginning, it follows the same phonological structure of /sV/. Considering the meanings are exactly the same, I don't think it's
too much of a stretch.
-
All4Ɇn
- mayan

- Posts: 1671
- Joined: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 07:19
Post
by All4Ɇn » Tue 09 May 2017, 02:34

Jurai
hờnǐ "honey"
honey
-
Creyeditor
- mongolian

- Posts: 4117
- Joined: Tue 14 Aug 2012, 18:32
Post
by Creyeditor » Sun 14 May 2017, 20:10

:sgp: Bahasa Indonesia, Bahasa Melayu, etc.
jangan don't (prohibitive)
:cmr: Bulu
ndʒáŋán missing (negative existence)
-
qwed117
- mongolian

- Posts: 4301
- Joined: Thu 20 Nov 2014, 02:27
Post
by qwed117 » Sat 27 May 2017, 21:17
volley ~
βᾰ́λλω "to throw" (/val.lo/ in 10th Century Byzantine)
What is made of man will crumble away.