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Re: False cognates

Post by qwed117 » Wed 15 Feb 2017, 03:05

:en: glass(y) vs :rom: IR gľåţĕ "ice", MR gľeţ "ice"

(Istro-Romanian's pronunciation is similar to Brits, and Megleno-Romanian like Americans)
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Re: False cognates

Post by CMunk » Thu 16 Feb 2017, 13:45

qwed117 wrote::en: glass(y) vs :rom: IR gľåţĕ "ice", MR gľeţ "ice"

(Istro-Romanian's pronunciation is similar to Brits, and Megleno-Romanian like Americans)
I suppose the Istro-Romanian word is cognate with :fra: glace "ice (cream)", :gbr: glacier and :swe: glass "ice cream".
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Re: False cognates

Post by CMunk » Thu 16 Feb 2017, 15:42

I wondered if :dan: ene "juniper", which comes from :non: einir "juniper", had a common root with :gbr: juniper, which comes from :lat: iuniperus "juniper". Especially since the fruit of the plant are called :dan: enebær "juniper berries" and :non: / :isl: einiber "juniper berries", I thought it might be a back formation, but it isn't, as far as I could tell.

It turns out :non: einir comes from the Indo-European root *yoy-ni-, which is also the root of :lat: iuncus "rush, reed". The connection between :lat: iuncus and :lat: iuniperus, though, is disputed.

Source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/iuncus#Latin
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Re: False cognates

Post by CMunk » Wed 22 Feb 2017, 11:50

:hun: -es /ɛʃ/, a suffix added to nouns to make adjectives meaning "having the quality of".

I doubt that it has roots in Proto-Germanic *-iskaz, but it is a possibility. Wiktionary has nothing on the subject (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-es#Hungarian). If it is not cognate, that would make it a false cognate with :deu: -isch, :nld: -s, :gbr: -ish, :dan: -isk, :fra: -esque, :ita: -esco and so on.

It's a relatively small suffix, so it could easily happen by chance, so it is not that amazing, but just a curiosity.

Does anyone know the history of :hun: -es?
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Re: False cognates

Post by Creyeditor » Wed 22 Feb 2017, 12:24

Finnish has -isa. Maybe there is a connection?
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Re: False cognates

Post by GrandPiano » Wed 22 Feb 2017, 23:49

:kor: 저 jeo "I (humble)" - :fra: je "I"
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Re: False cognates

Post by k1234567890y » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 17:58

English thorp and tribe(from Latin tribus, and Latin tribus does not seem to be a cognate of English thorp)

The English word thorp is from Proto-Indo-European *trab-, *treb-, whose cognate in Latin is trab "timber, beam, rafter"
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Re: False cognates

Post by qwed117 » Mon 27 Feb 2017, 02:53

Proto-Polynesian: *mana vs :lat: :eng: manna & :ell:μάννα
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Re: False cognates

Post by All4Ɇn » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 04:55

:jpn: 禁忌 kinki "taboo"
:eng: kinky
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Re: False cognates

Post by Lao Kou » Tue 28 Feb 2017, 05:37

All4Ɇn wrote: :jpn: 禁忌 kinki "taboo"
:eng: kinky
Ah yes, when I lived in Japan, there was a Kinki Girls' School just outside our city (albeit 近畿), which caused no end of chortles among the expat community. Good times. [xP]
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Re: False cognates

Post by protondonor » Thu 02 Mar 2017, 16:58

:hun: farkas ~ :swe: varg ~ Hindi :ind: वृक vŕk, all meaning wolf
  • farkas is from farok 'tail' + -as 'having X'; farok is most likely from Proto-Finno-Ugric *perä
  • varg is from Proto-Germanic *wargaz 'outlaw, criminal', from PIE *werg̑ʰ-
  • vŕk is from Proto-Indo-Iranian *wŕ̥kas, from PIE *wĺ̥kʷos, whence Latin lupus, Greek lýkos, Russian volk, and English wolf
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Re: False cognates

Post by GrandPiano » Fri 03 Mar 2017, 21:06

:jpn: ない nai "there is not" - :esp: no hay "there is not"
:eng: - Native
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Re: False cognates

Post by All4Ɇn » Fri 03 Mar 2017, 22:05

Lao Kou wrote:
All4Ɇn wrote: :jpn: 禁忌 kinki "taboo"
:eng: kinky
Ah yes, when I lived in Japan, there was a Kinki Girls' School just outside our city (albeit 近畿), which caused no end of chortles among the expat community. Good times. [xP]
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ame-kindai
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Re: False cognates

Post by Lao Kou » Sat 04 Mar 2017, 02:56

It's a joke that keeps on giving. [;)]
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Re: False cognates

Post by All4Ɇn » Sat 04 Mar 2017, 06:06

Whoops more of a faux ami
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Re: False cognates

Post by GrandPiano » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 02:33

:sle: Mende kaŋa "box" - :esp: caja "box"
:sle: Mende nya "I" - Proto-Sino-Tibetan *ŋa "I"
:sle: Mende ta "he; she; it" - :chn: 他 tā "he', 她 tā "she", 它 tā "it"
:sle: Mende mua "we" - :rus: мы my "we"
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:esp: - A2
:jpn: - A2
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Re: False cognates

Post by qwed117 » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 06:16

I figure this has already been said but...
:esp: otro vs :eng: other

Spanish cones from Latin alterum, from h2elteros, while other comes from the remarkablY similar h2enteros. The difference is obscured by l-vocalism and the Ingaevonic nasal spirant law
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Re: False cognates

Post by GrandPiano » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 17:24

:chn: Middle Chinese 一 */ʔit̚/ "one" - :sle: Mende ita "one"
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Re: False cognates

Post by k1234567890y » Thu 23 Mar 2017, 12:19

English die and Thai ตาย /taːj˧/ "to die"
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Re: False cognates

Post by clawgrip » Thu 23 Mar 2017, 15:20

One that I have thought about many times over the years but never actually posted here:
:jpn: 設定 settei
:eng: setting
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