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Re: False cognates

Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 12 Feb 2018, 05:01

... but you just did make it like English whether it was on purpose or not.
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Re: False cognates

Post by Imralu » Mon 12 Feb 2018, 07:06

Yeah, unless you've used a word generator or derived it somehow, either diachronically or by some language-internal means and it's come from something very unlike the natlang word in question language you know (like if jeur came from giol < igola < ik+olna, for example), conlangs are not really a good source of "false cognates" because if you're just using pure inspiration, you can't say what precisely influenced your thoughts.

What I find really cool though is when some purely inspired stuff (or derived, for that matter) ends up weirdly close to natlang stuff that you definitely did not know about at the time you came up with it. For example, my pronoun system that I've carried through several langs for about the last ten years (I'm a serial monogamist with conlangs and I carry a lot forward to the next one) ... at some point I thought of putting it in Papua New Guinea as a language isolate ... I picked an uninhabited area and then saw that my pronoun system fits there pretty unremarkably.
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific, AG = agent, E = entity (person, animal, thing)
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Re: False cognates

Post by Imralu » Mon 12 Feb 2018, 07:19

:tan: Swahili kama "as", "like"; "if" ... borrowed from Arabic kamaa
:esp: como "as", "like" (and of course cognates in its related languages)
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific, AG = agent, E = entity (person, animal, thing)
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Re: False cognates

Post by Shemtov » Tue 13 Feb 2018, 19:20

:us-pa: Lenepe /ni/ :jpn: ニ /に /ni/ "Two"
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Re: False cognates

Post by Vlürch » Thu 15 Feb 2018, 07:43

:jpn: (ko) - child
:ind: Nyishi ko - child

:es-pv: hiru - three
:tur: :kur: Zazaki hiru - three
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Re: False cognates

Post by Shemtov » Wed 21 Feb 2018, 05:37

:eng: "Smack" :mex: Jacaltec <smak> /smaq'/ "To hit" :kor: 못 /mos/ [mot] "cannot" :mex: Jacaltec <Mat> "NEG." :irl: :sco: <Clann> :ita: Etruscan /klan/ "Child"
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Re: False cognates

Post by Pabappa » Wed 21 Feb 2018, 18:23

And I'm told that: :eng: spank is not cognate to Portuguese :pt:
espancar with a similar meaning. But the derivations are unknown.
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