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Post by qwed117 » Sun 22 Oct 2017, 19:12

Where is Gandalf? For I much desire to speak with him

For is an independent clause. It can be separated as a sentence.
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Post by eldin raigmore » Sun 22 Oct 2017, 20:50

qwed117 wrote:Where is Gandalf? For I much desire to speak with him
qwed117 wrote:It can be separated as a sentence.
Yes.

qwed117 wrote:For is an independent clause.
No.
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Post by qwed117 » Sun 22 Oct 2017, 21:58

eldin raigmore wrote:
qwed117 wrote:Where is Gandalf? For I much desire to speak with him
qwed117 wrote:For is an independent clause.

No.

You know what I mean. "For" sets up an independent clause.
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Post by Dormouse559 » Sun 22 Oct 2017, 22:22

I agree with qwed's solution, but if you want to suggest a shorter pause, the version with a comma and a period will work, too. It's clear that "Where is Gandalf" is a question, so there's no ambiguity, even without a question mark.
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Post by kiwikami » Sun 22 Oct 2017, 22:44

Dormouse559 wrote:I agree with qwed's solution, but if you want to suggest a shorter pause, the version with a comma and a period will work, too. It's clear that "Where is Gandalf" is a question, so there's no ambiguity, even without a question mark.
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 23 Oct 2017, 06:28

One of the reasons that I like Spanish.

You can do things like: I really like Shannon, ¿where is she? Which might have made the above example less of an issue.
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Post by Lao Kou » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 12:42

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Ah yes, biáng. Love that one. It needs to be added to the font!

I love 齉 personally (nàng, meaning "snuffling, speaking with a blocked nose", sounds like onomatopoeia?), and this one is in unicode.
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » Sat 28 Oct 2017, 17:48

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KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Ah yes, biáng. Love that one. It needs to be added to the font!

I love 齉 personally (nàng, meaning "snuffling, speaking with a blocked nose", sounds like onomatopoeia?), and this one is in unicode.
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 05:02

Are there languages that do not possess any rounded vowels in their inventories but do include back vowels? If so, do they usually pop up on allophony? Are there any where they don't even appear there?
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Post by eldin raigmore » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 05:53

Thrice Xandvii wrote:Are there languages that do not possess any rounded vowels in their inventories but do include back vowels?.... (plus questions I can't answer)....
Alawa, Jaqaru, Nimboran, and Nunggubuyu, do not have any rounded vowels.
Alawa has one back vowel, a near-close back unrounded vowel.
Jaqaru has one back vowel, a close back unrounded vowel.
Nimboran has two back vowels, a close back unrounded vowel and a mid back unrounded vowel.
Nunggubuyu has one back vowel, a near-close back unrounded vowel.

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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 06:27

There seems to be a paucity of information on those, but thanks!
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Post by Creyeditor » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 09:04

I think there is a free source on Nimboran, a book by AnceauxPDF. The problem is that we do not really know if this is unrounded vowels or Japanese-style compressed rounded vowels.
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Post by Frislander » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 11:21

There's also Matsés: on the grammar pile the author is pretty clear that there's no rounding in the language, though confusingly they opt to use the rounded sybols for the back vowels, presumably for reasons of diacritical economy. (incidentally this means that the language contrasts /i ɨ ɯ/ but has no /u/).
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Post by Omzinesý » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 13:45

Is there any language written with the Romance alphabet whit a letter z with a hook below it, like there is <ş> in Turkish and Romanian.
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Post by Axiem » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 15:35

Wikipedia mentions Middle High German. I can't, however, link to the exact Wikipedia page because phpBB can't handle it.
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Post by Creyeditor » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 15:51

Omzinesý wrote:Is there any language written with the Romance alphabet whit a letter z with a hook below it, like there is <ş> in Turkish and Romanian.
Middle High German tailed z actually looks more like ⟨ʒ⟩.
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Post by esoanem » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 16:25

Also isn't that just the shape of the letter z? I assumed Omzinesý wanted a language that contrasted z and z̧
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Post by sangi39 » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 17:52

The Middle High German example might not be accurate, since, again according to Wikipedia, it wasn't used in the writing of Middle High German at the time it was actually spoken, and the use of <z> vs. <ȥ> (z-hook, different from z-cedilla <>) is a modern development, with the latter indicating /s/ (from earlier /t/ undergoing Phase 1 of the HGCS) and the former representing /ts/ (from earlier /t/ undergoing Phase 2 of the HGCS). In original Middle High German texts, <ȥ> appears as either <z> or <s>.

Annoyingly, I've not been able to find any examples of z-cedilla being used at all in languages that use the Latin alphabet. The only real examples I've found are from French websites linking to the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use, which establishes "standard names for places outside the UK, for the use of the British government", where it's used to transcribe <ظ> in Arabic, Balochi, Pashto, Urdu and Persian, which you can find here.
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Post by Thrice Xandvii » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 18:02

Axiem wrote:Wikipedia mentions Middle High German. I can't, however, link to the exact Wikipedia page because phpBB can't handle it.
All links can be posted here, you just have to stick it in a converter first to get it in hex/URL code first: like when you see %40, etc. in URLs.
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Post by Axiem » Tue 07 Nov 2017, 18:41

Base: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ȥ

Attempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%A4

As link.



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