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Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 03:37
by sangi39
So this evening I learnt that there's a northern Welsh word, lle chwech, that means "toilet", i.e. the room. Literally, though, it translates as "six place"... How does that mean "toilet"?! [:P]

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 15:36
by Pabappa
Pay toilets in Europe used to cost a cent, hence the expression "spend a penny" ... I guess the Welsh were a little more generous with that particular custom. I'm told it was 50 cents in Spain until recently.

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Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 16:07
by esoanem
Yeah, it possibly used to cost a sixpence pre-decimalisation.

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Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 18:06
by KaiTheHomoSapien
I thought it was because it was a room intended for all six bodily functions [O.O] [:P]

I'm just being goofy. I looked it up here and apparently it's not too clear. The sixpence theory is one viable explanation, but it's not the only one. There are others:

https://english.stackexchange.com/quest ... the-toilet

"Another possible explanation I've found is that lle chwech (which translates to "six place") refers to the workers toilets which commonly have six seats. "

"The other possibility (explaining why the term exists in some northern areas only) is that it comes from the areas of quarries and copper mines, where there was a 'small house'(toilet) cabin for just six people."

Interesting and bizarre. Never heard of this in my life. Euphemisms often have strange origins!

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 18:12
by ixals
Yeah, there are a lot of different explanations on the internet regarding this euphemism. Another one I found was that it comes from English "six" meaning "back". To quote Wiktionary "(military slang, by ellipsis of six o'clock) Rear, behind (rear side of something)". It'd be really interesting to know which one of all these origins is the real one :wat:

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 18:22
by KaiTheHomoSapien
That's the fun part. You don't get to ever know for sure! At least no one's come up with a silly backronym for this one...

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Tue 09 Jan 2018, 08:47
by Thrice Xandvii
I'm going to personally lobby for the one with the military slang. It seems cool to me.

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Wed 10 Jan 2018, 21:03
by All4Ɇn
According to Wiktionary the character 殿, which now means hall, originally meant buttocks. How did a change like that take place?

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Posted: Thu 11 Jan 2018, 09:49
by gestaltist
All4Ɇn wrote:
Wed 10 Jan 2018, 21:03
According to Wiktionary the character 殿, which now means hall, originally meant buttocks. How did a change like that take place?
If it went the other way around, I would guess a euphemism by anal sex lovers. But from buttocks to hall? That is odd.

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Thu 11 Jan 2018, 11:29
by cedh
All4Ɇn wrote:
Wed 10 Jan 2018, 21:03
According to Wiktionary the character 殿, which now means hall, originally meant buttocks. How did a change like that take place?
'buttocks' > 'area to the rear of sth.' > 'place where people go during a break' > 'place where people meet' > 'hall', maybe???

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Posted: Thu 11 Jan 2018, 12:13
by Lao Kou
cedh wrote:
Thu 11 Jan 2018, 11:29
All4Ɇn wrote:
Wed 10 Jan 2018, 21:03
According to Wiktionary the character 殿, which now means hall, originally meant buttocks. How did a change like that take place?
'buttocks' > 'area to the rear of sth.' > 'place where people go during a break' > 'place where people meet' > 'hall', maybe???
Pretty much, I think. Also, consider timespans -- 殿 as "palace" or "palatial hall" takes us well back into the dynasties -- Lord knows how far back you'd have to go back to find a text with 殿 as "buttocks" (though that etymology is preserved in modern 臀).

buttocks >
rear (cf. 'kick in the rear') >
rear guard >
palace/temple (in a palatial or temple complex, not placed at the front gate) >
palatial/temple hall (and if you want to go further, hall)

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 00:51
by Khemehekis
How do people with hypodactyly fingerspell?

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Posted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 22:39
by Imralu
Khemehekis wrote:
Sat 13 Jan 2018, 00:51
How do people with hypodactyly fingerspell?
I'm sure it'd depend a lot on how different their hand plan is from a regular hand. I heard of a Deaf Australian guy who was missing a whole hand and BANZSL fingerspelling is two handed and he would apparently just sign as if the other hand were there and context made up for most things.

If someone is missing, say, the index finger, I'd imagine they'd use the middle finger for index finger things. In BANZSL fingerspelling, where each finger represents a vowel, pointing towards the space of a missing finger would probably be clear enough. I can imagine numbers being more tricky with missing digits than fingerspelling would be ... but it depends on how many and which fingers are missing and to what extent, and how mobile everything else is. Deaf people tend to have a lifetime of experiences having to be creative to communicate with various people, so I'm sure it'd probably a lot less of a problem than you might be imagining ... although it may take some getting used to understanding someone when you're not familiar with them.

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 23:41
by Pabappa
when I was very young I came up with a system for forming the numbers 0-9 with my hands. I was just being creative ... Ive never learned sign language or even the signed alphabet . I only used three fingers. Most numbers can be easily formed with three or even two fingers, but for the number "5" i just formed the top part (looks like a long-division sign) and for "4" I rotated the 5 sign CCW by forty-five degrees.

Only thing is, it depends on which fingers are missing. I dont know if i could make the 8 or 9 signs so well if the index or middle finger was missing ... I'd probably just revert to holding up fingers, figuring that the last finger held up would count as teh total. so e.g. left-hand ring finger = 9.

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Posted: Thu 18 Jan 2018, 04:24
by Khemehekis
Fascinating.

When I was a baby/toddler/preschooler I had severe speech impairments. My vocabulary and grammar were excellent, but I couldn't pronounce most of my consonants. I would use both hands and make them into the shapes of letters to spell out words to my parents and other people with whom I needed to communicate.