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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2017, 03:51 
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Creyeditor wrote:
Yesterday I was thinking really hard about what a tiger would be in my conworld, since there are no terrestrial mammals *there*. I was thinking about maybe having something like a 'terror bird' or a 'thunder bird'. Maybe also some 'giant ow'. I really don't know which flightless birds are most similar to tigers.

Is there a concept of monsters? What about coming up with a word like "fourleg" or something? To someone who only knows birdish things, a mammal would basically be a really exotic monster.

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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2017, 06:35 
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Creyeditor wrote:
Yesterday I was thinking really hard about what a tiger would be in my conworld, since there are no terrestrial mammals *there*. I was thinking about maybe having something like a 'terror bird' or a 'thunder bird'. Maybe also some 'giant ow'. I really don't know which flightless birds are most similar to tigers.

Ask the question : what is orange with black stripes, in my conworld...
With your answer you'll find the tiger...


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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2017, 09:49 
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Thank you, both are very interesting ideas. A mythology about four-legged hairy monsters is something I will think about. Also, I will put more thought into the colors of feathers.

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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 07 Oct 2017, 23:29 
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Yn yyuåvuynsa radumepyó uom kromór by ddamtu.
IMP laozyao-DEF orange COM black multiple stripe
The tiger is orange with black stripes. (lit, The Laozyao is orange with multiple black stripe.)

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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sun 08 Oct 2017, 15:18 
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:con: Ganur Lon

Gaz me up lumitetau li'moc lufitau.
/gaz me up lu.miˈte.taʊ liˈmoc luˈfi.taʊ
tiger TOP be dirt-color-similar-ADJ COM=strip hair-color-ADJ

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Khar me lumjittu lim-motjim lufitau.
/kʰar me lʊˈmʲit.tʊ limˈmɔ.tʲim lʊˈfi.taʊ/
tiger be dirt-color<similar>-ADJ COM=strip-PL hair-color-ADJ

:con: Pejlanrau Khaneč Khaftim

Khareč me lumjittu lil-lufitau močim.
/ˈkʰar.etɕ me lʊmˈjit.tʊ lil.lʊˈfi.taʊ ˈmɔ.tɕim/
tiger-DEF be dirt-color<similar>-ADJ COM=hair-color-ADJ strip-PL

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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sun 08 Oct 2017, 19:46 
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La tigre è arancione a strisce nere.
/la 'tiːgre ε aran'tʃoːne a 'striʃʃe 'neːre/
la tigre è arancione a strisc-e ner-e
DET.FS tiger be.3SG orange (*) stripe-PL black-FP

I really have no idea how to gloss <a>, which in this case is used to introduce a pattern.

:ita: Emilian - Dialàt Vgnulěṡ
La tîgra l'è aranciouna a strésli něgri.
/lɐ 'tiːgrɐ lε ɐrɐ̃n'tʃɒ̃ʊ̃nɐ ɐ 's̠tres̠lɪ 'neːgrɪ/
la tigra la è arancioun-a a strésl-i něgr-i
DET.FS tiger 3SG be.3SG orange-FS (*) stripe-PL black-FP

(*) like above.

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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2017, 08:38 
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:con: Gãdũ Fav

Up gojz zazitau rĩ-mocr tahoca.
/up goɪz za'zi.taʊ rĩ'mo.cɚ ta'ho.ca/
be tiger fire-color-ADJ COM=stripe black-ADJ

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Xoop me lubytetoo li-candat lufitoo.
/xoːp me lu.by'te.toː li'can.dat lu'fi.toː/
tiger TOP orange-ADJ COM=straightness-concrete hair-color-ADJ

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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2017, 16:06 
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Alessio wrote:
I really have no idea how to gloss <a>, which in this case is used to introduce a pattern.
There's always PREP (preposition). Simple enough, and you can elaborate elsewhere what it means.


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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 14 Oct 2017, 15:51 
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I thought it was 'PRP' (gloss-natzying for 3 character transcribents).

The same sentence could be similarly written in :esp:


El tigre es anaranjado con rayas negras.
El tigre es anaranjado de rayas negras.


In either case, both would be glossed:

DEF.M.SG tiger.SG be<PRS.3SG> orange.M.SG PRP stripe.PL black.F.PL


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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 14 Oct 2017, 16:26 
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Creyeditor wrote:
Thank you, both are very interesting ideas. A mythology about four-legged hairy monsters is something I will think about. Also, I will put more thought into the colors of feathers.


I would think that the defining characteristics of a tiger are (1) Stripes and (2) {larger-sized} hunter/predator.

Many creatures in that respect could be considered "tigers":

1) Reptomammal à la Gorgonopsid
2) a therapsid carnivore (mebbe Allosaurid)
3) a large salamander
4) a fish
5) A large insect (wasp or dragonfly)
6) some kind of {furry} arachnid (tarantula, solfugid or scorpion, or a variety of extinct eurypterid or Mesothelæ )

For example, in my conworld Tirga, on the Southern peninsula of Ingerstaadt, there lives a large predatory arachnid called a Malmignotta.

It is like a shaggy, small elephant, but it is extremely nimble and can move about the Tulgey Hemlock Jungles hunting with it's Oliphant tusk-like cheliceræ.

https://katyushka-dolls.deviantart.com/ ... -615112384
A rare albino individual on an immense centuries-old Hemlock tree-stump. The tusks are folded under the furry pedipalps.


They are the trophy-prey of the NaZinji tribes, who are transequatorial representatives of Paranthropus amlas.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rZ9xSnWIriA/U ... 8037_n.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/dd/eb/b6/ddeb ... c42823.jpg



So much conworlding. So little time!
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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 14 Oct 2017, 16:56 
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Lambuzhao wrote:
I would think that the defining characteristics of a tiger are (1) Stripes and (2) {larger-sized} hunter/predator.

lacks the orange to be a perfect tiger...


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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Sat 14 Oct 2017, 17:17 
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Lambuzhao wrote:
I thought it was 'PRP' (gloss-natzying for 3 character transcribents).
It's whatever you want. Maybe my tolerance for four letters is just higher than yours? I regularly use PTCP, DISJ and IPFV (participle, disjunctive, imperfective) in my glosses.

EDIT:
To translate the sentence:

:fra: French
Le tigre est orange à rayures noires.
/lə tigʁ‿ɛ(.t‿)ɔ.ʁɑ̃ʒ a ʁɛ.jyʁ nwaʁ/
DEF-M tiger be.3SG orange PREP stripe{PL} black{F-PL}

:con: Silvish
La tigre l'ett ouranje a rêûi nêi.
[ləˈti.gʁə lɛt.tuˈʁɑ̃.ʑə a.ʁeˈjyː.wi ˈneː.ji]
DEF-F tiger 3SG=be-3SG orange PREP stripe-OBL.PL black-OBL.PL

The tiger is orange with black stripes.


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 Post subject: Re: The Tiger
PostPosted: Fri 20 Oct 2017, 23:35 
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Byaräa ẹc brośra śyagäwọn rēɣọn.
[bja.ɾɛ.a jɪts bɾo.ɕɾa ɕja.gɛ.wʊn ɾɛ:ɣʊn]
tiger-DEF.NOM.SG be-3.SG.PRS orange-NOM.SG black-GEN.PL line-GEN.PL
The tiger is orange with black lines.

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