Before the car hit it

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Re: Before the car hit it

Post by Reyzadren » Thu 09 Nov 2017, 00:52

:con: griuskant (without the conscript)

aeskes pauja vosk gayez sun detha raes.
/'eskəs 'paudʒa 'vɔsk 'gajəz 'sun 'dəθa 'res/
1PL safe-V dog before car collide-V 3SG
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Re: Before the car hit it

Post by Lao Kou » Thu 09 Nov 2017, 13:23

Khemehekis wrote:
Omzinesý wrote:Does any language distinguish the situation where the dog is hit though it's saved?
Yes, in Kankonian, you would change:

Wir teminen karaph kaluk yehade hakek wan.
we save+PAST dog before car hit+STAGNATIVE it

to:

Wir teminen karaph kaluk yehade haken wan.
we save+PAST dog before car hit+PAST it
Yeah, but saved from what?

In terms of pragmatics, it seems to me a strange distinction to make. Most translations this far have interpreted the sentence as "We saved the dog from being hit." -- which I would think is the regular pragmatic interpretation.

We saved the dog (from X?) and then a car hit it.


May make for an nice ironic O'Henry story, but do we arrange arguments this way grammatically in one sentence?
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Re: Before the car hit it

Post by Jackk » Thu 09 Nov 2017, 14:33

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Moc non o zouvu te paris cur cu yuc om ose.
put 1d.ex pfv dog from danger on time beat man 3s.an.obl
We saved the dog and then the man beat it.

Moc non o zouvu te paris cur cu yuc eppe om ose.
put 1d.ex pfv dog from danger on time beat irr man 3s.an.obl
We saved the dog before the man could beat it.
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Re: Before the car hit it

Post by Lao Kou » Thu 16 Nov 2017, 13:52

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Trízh lé chö ngarebsöt, puskaushtanö che töths lé söböt haumergauz sho, amferöz.
1DUAL-NOM AUX.PAST DEF dog-ACC, before DEF car-NOM AUX.PAST 3SG-ACC hit-SPEC PTCL, save
We saved the dog before the car hit it.



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私-autre oué on ga 救tta l'犬 au avant que le 車 ga l'au 轢lleta soéyeau.
Ouétachi-autre oué on ga soucoutta l'inou au avant que le courouma ga l'au hilleta soéyeau.
1PL TOP 1PL NOM save-PAST DEF=dog ACC before DEF car NOM 3SG=ACC hit-PAST be-SUBJ
We saved the dog before the car hit it.
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