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Yes/No

Post by Ossicone » Thu 14 Oct 2010, 22:24

Please include glosses and only one or two langs per post. (No copy-pasta.)

:eng: English:
A: Did you see that?
B: No! What was it?
C: Yes! It was a naked lady!

:con: Inyauk:
A: Fínim ziru-únyalak ní-aya? (Fínim ziru-únyalak?)
/'fin-im θir-'ruɲ-al-ak 'ni-aja/
2dl-AGT Q-see-PST-END 3sg-OBJ

B: Yán! Zarní-aya?
/'jan θar-'ni-aja/
no Q-3sg-OBJ

C: Átx! Nahínyakimaamuraya! (Átx! Imúraya!)
/'aʧ nax-'iɲak-im-na-mur-aja/
yes IDF-person-FEM-ADJ-naked-OBJ

EDIT:typos, and added short version.
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Micamo » Thu 14 Oct 2010, 23:21

:con: Agyonnar:
A: Del bir yura?
B: Ez! Manta zen?
C: Va! Dayone amoz!
(Assuming the lady in Question is an Agyon. A human lady is an "azo.")
A: this INT see?
B: No! what is?
C: Yes! Lady lewd!
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Ossicone » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 00:09

Micamo wrote::con: Agyonnar:
A: Del bir yura?
B: Ez! Manta zen?
C: Va! Dayone amoz!
(Assuming the lady in Question is an Agyon. A human lady is an "azo.")
A: this INT see?
B: No! what is?
C: Yes! Lady lewd!
lol. Not the lewd lady!
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Micamo » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 00:33

Ossicone wrote:
Micamo wrote::con: Agyonnar:
A: Del bir yura?
B: Ez! Manta zen?
C: Va! Dayone amoz!
(Assuming the lady in Question is an Agyon. A human lady is an "azo.")
A: this INT see?
B: No! what is?
C: Yes! Lady lewd!
lol. Not the lewd lady!
The Agyon hold absurdly high standards for female modesty. Remember they're a species that only has sex about once per decade, so a lady appearing naked anywhere where she can be seen is considered kinda slutty. So "lewd" here is a fitting colloquial translation if not a literal one.
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Ossicone » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 01:14

Micamo wrote:The Agyon hold absurdly high standards for female modesty. Remember they're a species that only has sex about once per decade, so a lady appearing naked anywhere where she can be seen is considered kinda slutty. So "lewd" here is a fitting colloquial translation if not a literal one.
Indeed. I figured as much, it is just funny to me. Cultural differences are fun.
This dialogue is actually based on an Inyauk myth. The gist is pretty much one of the goddesses comes down to earth, runs around naked, has sex with some guys, kills them, then tells the other people they're nothing and then leaves. So yeah, not really a big deal to them.
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Maximillian » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 07:47

:con: Ríhannen:
A: Veirúsit (deret)?
veir-ú-si-t (deret)?
see-PST-RES-3PS (that.which.is.no.longer.seen)?

B: Veiróntta!* Har ót?
veir-ó-n-tta! har Ø-ó-t?
see-PST-1PS-NEG! who.what be-PST-3PS?

C: Veirón!* Adonel annáya ót!
veir-ó-n! adon-el annáya Ø-ó-t!
see-PST-1PS! naked-ADJ lady be-PST-3PS!

* Ríhannen has no words for "yes" and "no", so the verb is repeated instead. Since verbs can be very long, they are often shortened by cutting out unnecessary information. For example, the resultative suffix -si- was omitted in the answers, though it is present in the question.
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Ossicone » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 08:20

Maximillian wrote:* Ríhannen has no words for "yes" and "no", so the verb is repeated instead. Since verbs can be very long, they are often shortened by cutting out unnecessary information. For example, the resultative suffix -si- was omitted in the answers, though it is present in the question.
Intriguing. Is this attested in any natlang?

Is it possible that a speaker of Ríhannen might substitute '(it is) true' or '(it is) false' instead of repeating the verb?
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Khemehekis » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 09:01

Ossicone wrote:
Maximillian wrote:* Ríhannen has no words for "yes" and "no", so the verb is repeated instead. Since verbs can be very long, they are often shortened by cutting out unnecessary information. For example, the resultative suffix -si- was omitted in the answers, though it is present in the question.
Intriguing. Is this attested in any natlang?
The Celtic languages do this. In fact, the practice of answering a question with "I do", "It is", "She may", "We don't", "He can't", "They are", etc. was introduced into America by Irish immigrants.
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Re: Yes/No

Post by sangi39 » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 12:27

At least according to the article on echo answers on wikipedia, Finnish answers using the main verb of the question rather than some auxiliary:

A: "Tuletteko kaupungista?" ("Are you coming from town?" - come-2pl-INTER town-ELAT)
B: "Tulemme" ("we are coming" - come-1pl)

Although it does say that negatives, following the same pattern, can be reduced down to the negative auxiliary, e.g.:

A: "Tunnetteko herra Lehdon?" ("Do you know Mr. Lehto?" - know-2pl/POL-INTER mister Lehto-GEN)
B: "En tunne" ("I don't know" - "don't"-1s know)
B(alt.): "En" ("I don't" - "don't"-1s)
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Aszev » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 13:34

Have you looked at this?
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Ossicone » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 16:40

Thanks guys!
I feel enlightened in the way of answering a question.

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Re: Yes/No

Post by Maximillian » Fri 15 Oct 2010, 17:20

Ossicone wrote:Is it possible that a speaker of Ríhannen might substitute '(it is) true' or '(it is) false' instead of repeating the verb?
No. It would sound too artificial, in the standard language at least. But some dialects might use it.
Khemehekis wrote:The Celtic languages do this. In fact, the practice of answering a question with "I do", "It is", "She may", "We don't", "He can't", "They are", etc. was introduced into America by Irish immigrants.
Debatable, yet possible explanation. Although it'd be better to say "was introduced to English by Celts".
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Khemehekis » Sat 16 Oct 2010, 12:09

Kankonian:

A: Mahan ar emen ham?
do? you see+PAST that

B: Thi! Hiel en wan?
no! what was it

C: So! Wan en mopiga burip!
yes! it was woman naked
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Khemehekis » Sat 16 Oct 2010, 12:13

Maximillian wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:The Celtic languages do this. In fact, the practice of answering a question with "I do", "It is", "She may", "We don't", "He can't", "They are", etc. was introduced into America by Irish immigrants.
Debatable, yet possible explanation. Although it'd be better to say "was introduced to English by Celts".
That was what I read. It was probably in Speaking Freely, which has an American bias. According to the source, it really did come into English via the United States rather than the United Kingdom, even though there are Irish living in England (Sir Paul McCartney and John Lennon both have Irish surnames, for instance).
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Aszev » Sat 16 Oct 2010, 15:17

Khemehekis wrote:
Maximillian wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:The Celtic languages do this. In fact, the practice of answering a question with "I do", "It is", "She may", "We don't", "He can't", "They are", etc. was introduced into America by Irish immigrants.
Debatable, yet possible explanation. Although it'd be better to say "was introduced to English by Celts".
That was what I read. It was probably in Speaking Freely, which has an American bias. According to the source, it really did come into English via the United States rather than the United Kingdom, even though there are Irish living in England (Sir Paul McCartney and John Lennon both have Irish surnames, for instance).
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Ossicone » Fri 25 Feb 2011, 07:29

:con: Amjati:
A: Nor suek?
nor sue-k
Q see-PST-2.m.m

B: Tjo! Inra elir?
ʨo! inra elir
no! what 3.m-be.PST

C: Lja! Iliar az mirea skan!
ʎa! i-liar az mire-a skan
yes! 3f-be.PST IDF.f.ABS naked-ABS woman.der
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Omzinesý » Fri 25 Feb 2011, 13:55

This is an interesting subject. I have never thought that that other languages say yes/no much easier than Finnish.

It is really complicated to answer a negative question in Finnish.

Etkö tappanut häntä? 'Didn't you kill him?'
En./Joo. 'No/yeah'
Siis tapitko vai etkö? 'Did you kill or not?'
En./Joo. 'no/yeah'
No antaa olla. Kuollut mikä kuollut. 'Let it be. He is dead.'
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Re: Yes/No

Post by aereastra » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 07:29

:con: Lantasi:
A: Cú-oriau dàciam?
/kwoɾɪjaʊ ɖəʧæm/
Did you see that?
[Query-see.you that-f.acc?]

B: Nu, Cú-estia?
/nʊ, kwɛʃʈæ/
No! What was it?
[No, Query-be.past-f?]

C: Sie! Estia sà feminam ianàs!
/ʃɛ! ɛʃʈæ sə fɛmɪnæŋ jænəs - m becomes ŋ if the next word begins with j, g, k or ŋ/
Yes! It was a naked lady!
[Yes! Be.past.f a.f lady.acc.f barren.f]
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Re: Yes/No

Post by Selinki » Sun 01 Apr 2012, 21:06

A: Did you see that?
B: No! What was it?
C: Yes! It was a naked lady!

:con: Selinki [s"e:liNki]

Oviola-gko dar ldo?
["o:violaG\o Dar lD"o:]
see-PST.2SG.QUESTION you that-ACC

Miz! Czes don badaj?
[m"i:z ts`es Don b"a:Daj]
No What that be-PST.3SG

Ie! Don badaj polnerodelnis cejd
[i"e: Don b"a:Daj polner"oDelnis ts"ejD]
Yes It be-PST.3SG full.body-ADJ woman
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Re: Yes/No

Post by DanH34 » Sun 01 Apr 2012, 23:48

:eng:
A: Did you see that?
B: No! What was it?
C: Yes! It was a naked lady!

:con: Zidhgebzhail

A: zil bwukhef klygAin?
B: oig! my g[yh]a-kleb?
C: iel! za g[yh]ar-aza gilkoenysa!
Spoiler:
A: z-il bwukh-ef kly-g-Ai-n?
3-ERG.SG.M distal.demonstrative.pronoun-ACC.SG.M Q-PST-see-SIMPLE?

B: oig! m-y g[y-h]a-kleb?
No! 3.INAN-ABS.SG.M PST-COP1-what?

C: iel! z-a g[y-h]ar-az-a gilkoen-y-s-a!
Yes! 3-ABS.SG.F PST-COP1-woman-ABS.SG.F naked-ABS-ADJ-SG.F
A: Did you see that?
B: No! What was it?
C: Yes! She was a naked woman!

Note that the animate 3rd person pronoun is used in 'C', since to use the inanimate form to refer to a person would be extremely rude.

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