Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:05

Creyeditor wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:02
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Thu 12 Jul 2018, 22:32
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Does it descend from a rounded vowel?
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Does it descend from PG short or long *o?
No.
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:31

spanick wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 22:49
shimobaatar wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 22:47
Is the second /d/ in the word also derived from Proto-Germanic *d?
No.

See:
spanick wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 21:20
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Thu 12 Jul 2018, 21:07
Is the /d͡ʒ/ originally from a velar?
Yes
Oh, I wasn't counting that one because it was part of an affricate. I guess I meant the third /d/, then. I was asking about this one: /dod͡ʒads/ (emphasis mine).
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 00:20

spanick wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:05
Creyeditor wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:02
spanick wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 22:32
Creyeditor wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 22:29
Does it descend from a rounded vowel?
Yes
Does it descend from PG short or long *o?
No.
from PG short or long *u?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 00:35

shimobaatar wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:31
Oh, I wasn't counting that one because it was part of an affricate. I guess I meant the third /d/, then. I was asking about this one: /dod͡ʒads/ (emphasis mine).
Ah, gotcha. Sorry for misunderstanding. In that case, yes.
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 00:42

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from PG short or long *u?
Short *u
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:37

spanick wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 00:35
shimobaatar wrote:
Thu 12 Jul 2018, 23:31
Oh, I wasn't counting that one because it was part of an affricate. I guess I meant the third /d/, then. I was asking about this one: /dod͡ʒads/ (emphasis mine).
Ah, gotcha. Sorry for misunderstanding. In that case, yes.
No worries, I totally see where you were coming from.

Anyway, was the *i that caused the palatalization part of the root?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:50

shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:37
Anyway, was the *i that caused the palatalization part of the root?
Yes
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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spanick wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:50
shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:37
Anyway, was the *i that caused the palatalization part of the root?
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Was the /a/ an *a in the derivational suffix in Proto-Germanic?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 03:35

shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 03:32
spanick wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:50
shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 01:37
Anyway, was the *i that caused the palatalization part of the root?
Yes
Was the /a/ an *a in the derivational suffix in Proto-Germanic?
Yes
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 12:09

Was the derivational suffix two syllables?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 13:36

shimobaatar wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 12:09
Was the derivational suffix two syllables?
No.

Also, upon checking the wiktionary list, it appears they consider the suffix to not have the *a as part of it. Personally, i disagree with that assessment but on wiktionary it is listed without a thematic vowel.
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 19:42

In the way of a hint, here is the same word in Old Sortsbergish:

дѫꙉꙛдс
/dõdʒãds/
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:01

Is the derivational suffix related to the German present participle ending?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:07

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Is the derivational suffix related to the German present participle ending?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:11

So this means the proto-word was *dungandz? And it means something like 'fertilizer'?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:15

Creyeditor wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:11
So this means the proto-word was *dungandz? And it means something like 'fertilizer'?
Bingo!
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:23

Could you give some information about the diachronic development? I am curious.
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:38

Creyeditor wrote:
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Could you give some information about the diachronic development? I am curious.
Sure

*dungijandz
1) ij > i *dungiandz
2) z > s *dungiands
3) V > [+nas] / _C; [+nas] > [-hi]; N > Ø / V_C *dõgiãds
4) gi > dʒ Old Sortsbergish /dõdʒãds/
5) V > [-nas] Sortsbergish /dodʒads/
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 22:11

Wow, thanks. I really like that. Every single step makes sense, but the result is surprising.

Next one:
In Gniebeggas:
<iggerens>
/igːərənʃ/
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by spanick » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 22:54

Creyeditor wrote:
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 22:11
Wow, thanks. I really like that. Every single step makes sense, but the result is surprising.
Thanks, I like to use Sortsbergish for that very reason.
Next one: a
In Gniebeggas:
<iggerens>
/igːərənʃ/
Is it a noun?
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