The beginning of the end

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The beginning of the end

Post by Parlox » Thu 05 Oct 2017, 20:14

I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

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Ipidapadsa
[ɪpɪdapadsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
Last edited by Parlox on Sat 07 Oct 2017, 19:15, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by eldin raigmore » Fri 06 Oct 2017, 03:24

Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
Interesting!
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Iyionaku » Sat 07 Oct 2017, 17:42

Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
The example doesn't seem to match with the IPA transcription. Are you sure you didn't confuse your prefixes?
Heaven and Earth, but I feel the color of the cake when you keep the Victoria.
I had a mantra on the moss and I had to go to bed.


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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Parlox » Sat 07 Oct 2017, 19:15

Iyionaku wrote:
Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
The example doesn't seem to match with the IPA transcription. Are you sure you didn't confuse your prefixes?
Thanks for catching that!
  • :con: Bàsupan, (Coming soon)
  • :con: Stellendor
  • :con: Chavajau,
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire,
  • :con: Molvanian,
  • :con: Some temporary toylangs such as Rh'ae, Brythónnyc Claire, and Koe'ez.
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Dormouse559 » Sat 07 Oct 2017, 20:21

Parlox wrote:
Iyionaku wrote:
Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
The example doesn't seem to match with the IPA transcription. Are you sure you didn't confuse your prefixes?
Thanks for catching that!
Did the IPA version mean "the end of the beginning"?

Now to give some translations. French, c'est du gâteau:

:fra: French
le début de la fin
/lə de.by d‿la fɛ̃/
DEF-M beginning of DEF-F end


Romanglic switches things around:

:eng: :lat: Romanglic
Conclusion commencement

But Silvish is harder. I wanted to see what options there are for "beginning", so I looked to Arpitan for more ideas. But for "begin", several dialects use what appears to be a cognate of French enrayer. Thing is, enrayer means "stop". So maybe there's some funky semantic shift going on here, or the two verbs were formed from the same elements with different metaphorical reasoning. Whatever's going on, I want to figure it out before I decide how to say "begin".
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by lsd » Sat 07 Oct 2017, 21:25

:con: ööriinkhelgazar zywz yayw'w
|first of last[
beginning of end
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Fluffy8x » Sun 08 Oct 2017, 05:33

:con: Arka [:P]

kit e took
start of end

:con: Ḋraħýl Rase

denúl matanew
end-GEN INCHOATIVE-go-V>N

:con: Varta Avina

to suumi toa to noomi
V>N begin of V>N end
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Parlox » Sun 08 Oct 2017, 06:00

Migyur
Phaqhukaaybh nyabihwku
[fɑʁɯ̽kɑæv ɲɑbɪːwkɯ̽]
beginning-DEF.NOM-RLT.SING.MASC ending-DEF.ACC
The beginning of the end

RLT is a gloss for the relational case.
  • :con: Bàsupan, (Coming soon)
  • :con: Stellendor
  • :con: Chavajau,
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire,
  • :con: Molvanian,
  • :con: Some temporary toylangs such as Rh'ae, Brythónnyc Claire, and Koe'ez.
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by marvelous » Sun 08 Oct 2017, 08:09

The Lonian languages share a common figurative term for the beginning of the end. In some of them its component parts have ceased to be productive or the etymology has otherwise been obscured by the root taken on a different meaning.

:con: Ganur Lon

kadlar
/ˈkad.lar/
sun-SUP
the summer solstice

:con: Khan Nilau Khaftim

kattlatj
/ˈkat.tlatʲ/
sun-SUP
the summer solstice

:con: Pejlanrau Khaneč Khaftim

kattlač
/ˈkat.tlatɕ/
sun-SUP
the summer solstice

:con: Gãdũ Fav

kadrar
/ˈkad.rar/
peak.or.solstice
the peak/solstice

:con: Nummiinmaak Niloo

kadlal
/ˈkad.lal/
summer.solstice
the summer solstice
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Reyzadren » Sun 08 Oct 2017, 13:09

:con: griuskant (without the conscript)

yujae yaj.
/'judʒe 'jadʒ/
last-POSS first
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Imralu » Sun 08 Oct 2017, 18:36

:tan: Swahili:

mwanzo wa mwisho
beginning(3) 3-GEN end(3)
the beginning of the end

These words are derived from the verbs kuanza "to start/begin/commence" (the source of Swahili kwanza "first", which is also the source of the English Kwanzaa) and kwisha "to finish".
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific, AG = agent, E = entity (person, animal, thing)
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by eldin raigmore » Sun 08 Oct 2017, 22:49

marvelous wrote:The Lonian languages share a common figurative term for the beginning of the end. In some of them its component parts have ceased to be productive or the etymology has otherwise been obscured by the root taken on a different meaning.
...
the summer solstice
...
the summer solstice
If "the beginning of the end" is homophonous with "the summer solstice", is "the winter solstice" homophonous with "the end of the beginning"?

How do they describe (or, rather, denote) the opening, the midgame, and the endgame, of a chess match?
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Iyionaku » Mon 09 Oct 2017, 07:04

:con: Yélian

Æ'perdu o'péredan
[əˈpeɾdu ɔ̈ˈpeːɾədɐn]
DEF.CONC=start DEF.GEN=end
The beginning of the end

Interesting that Yélian derives both "beginning" and "end" from the same root *prd. I don't know if I can keep it that way...

:con: Caelian

Wyamted bardijen
[ʋamˈtʰɛd baɾˈdi̯ɛn]
start.NOM end.GEN
The beginning of the end

:con: Ular

Ular switches both around.

截手的启手
Jōmngâ pō phûnngá

[jɔm˧ŋɑ˧˥ pɔ˧ pʰun˧˥ŋɑ˥]
end-NOMZ GEN start-NOMZ
The end's beginning

:con: Bath'aso

[Not possible to express in Orkish on it's own, so I'll make a sentence out of it: "This is the beginning of the end"

Zhuts jat shext jorat.
[ʐut͡s jɑt ʂɛxt jɔrɑt]
INIT DEM.PROX TERM DEM.DIST
This begins, that ends.

:con: Paatherye

मै ठनि षुड़ु
May thani șuru

[maɪ̯ ˈtʰani ˈʃuɾu]
DEF.GEN end.GEN beginning.NOM
The end's beginning
Heaven and Earth, but I feel the color of the cake when you keep the Victoria.
I had a mantra on the moss and I had to go to bed.


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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Iyionaku » Mon 09 Oct 2017, 07:16

:deu: German

Der Anfang vom Ende
[dɛɐ̯ ˈʔanfaŋ fɔm ˈʔɛndə]
DEF.MASC.NOM beginning.NOM of=DEF end.DAT
The beginning of the end

:chn: Mandarin

结局的开始
Jiéjú de kāishǐ

[͡tʂi̯ɛ˨˦͡tʂy˧˥ tə kʰai̯˥ʂɹ̩˨˩˦]
end GEN beginning
The beginning of the end

:tur: Turkish

sonun başlangıcı
[sonun baslangɯt͡ʃɯ]
end-GEN beginning-ACC [o.O]
The end's beginning
Heaven and Earth, but I feel the color of the cake when you keep the Victoria.
I had a mantra on the moss and I had to go to bed.


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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Imralu » Mon 09 Oct 2017, 11:09

Iyionaku wrote::tur: Turkish

sonun başlangıcı
[sonun baʃlaŋd͡ʒɯ]
end-GEN beginning-POSS.3s
In accusative, that becomes sonun başlangıcını

son-(n)4n başlangıç/c-(s)4(n)-(y)4
end-GEN beginning-POSS.3s-DEF.ACC


(Letters in brackets are epenthetic. 4 refers to the four way high vowel harmony)
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by marvelous » Tue 10 Oct 2017, 11:49

eldin raigmore wrote:
marvelous wrote:The Lonian languages share a common figurative term for the beginning of the end. In some of them its component parts have ceased to be productive or the etymology has otherwise been obscured by the root taken on a different meaning.
...
the summer solstice
...
the summer solstice
If "the beginning of the end" is homophonous with "the summer solstice", is "the winter solstice" homophonous with "the end of the beginning"?

How do they describe (or, rather, denote) the opening, the midgame, and the endgame, of a chess match?
The winter solstice would be the beginning of the beginning, but it's not said that way; you would just say "nillar" (~= the supreme beginning). To say the end of the beginning, which tends not to be said as far as I know, you would say pekaltum nir, literally "the end of the beginning."

I have not incorporated chess into this world. I would like to be a bit more inventive in putting a chess-like or go-like game into the world, but I'm not sure what I will end up doing; I may just put chess into the world the way I've put a lot of other familiar things into it.

Thanks for the questions.
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Creyeditor » Tue 10 Oct 2017, 14:06

:con: Project Tri3
Fihrat nifn.
/fi:xrat ni:fn̩/
fihr-at nifng
end\ACT.NMLZ-POSSD start\ACT.NMLZ
The beginning of the end.
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