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Re: Mto

Post by Axiem » Tue 17 Apr 2018, 04:02

Keenir wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 03:58
wouldn't the put-upon wife make an offering to a deity who could either stop her husband's actions (one way or another) or get her somewhere better? (yes, i know, some people want to stay in such relationships, thinking its the only love they'd get/deserve/etc, so a snap or clap might suffice)
If there's actually an abusive element, then that's something different. I'm talking about the sorts of things that happen in the normal ebb and flow of a relationship.
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Re: Mto

Post by Axiem » Tue 17 Apr 2018, 04:04

Keenir wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 03:59
*shrugs* some people (like me) would make such warding offerings just to be on the safe side...no matter what she or her priests say.
What if it had the opposite effect, and actually made you more of a target for mischief? :D

I don't, in general, see her as particularly malicious, though. Trolling, perhaps, or the occasional come-uppance. But actively mean? Nah, that's not her style.
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Re: Mto

Post by Keenir » Tue 17 Apr 2018, 06:25

Axiem wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 04:04
Keenir wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 03:59
*shrugs* some people (like me) would make such warding offerings just to be on the safe side...no matter what she or her priests say.
What if it had the opposite effect, and actually made you more of a target for mischief? :D

I don't, in general, see her as particularly malicious, though.
but thats what you just described. (if i ask someone to stop throwing paper airplanes at me, and they keep throwing paper airplanes at me...that may be humorous to Her and to others standing around me (were they making the offerings to get me targetted? i'd be wondering)...but not to me.

heck, I'd start making inquiries into who in the Pantheon could either reign her in or oppose her.
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Re: Mto

Post by Axiem » Tue 17 Apr 2018, 14:27

Keenir wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 06:25
that may be humorous to Her
Based on the context given, that scenario isn't one that she'd find funny, so the point is moot.

Clearly, I need to re-tool how I describe her, along with how I discuss how the deities interact with people, etc.

It's on my list, though right now I'm much more concerned with calendar-building, because that's the point that's much more immediately pressing to figure out for the story I'm more or less writing at the moment.
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Re: Mto

Post by Keenir » Thu 19 Apr 2018, 04:14

Axiem wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 14:27
Keenir wrote:
Tue 17 Apr 2018, 06:25
that may be humorous to Her
Based on the context given, that scenario isn't one that she'd find funny, so the point is moot.

Clearly, I need to re-tool how I describe her, along with how I discuss how the deities interact with people, etc.
I suppose my point was that, even if the goddess of joking came down and said "don't worry, I'm not going to play a joke on you"...how do I know she's not joking when she says that? (and by extension, the same principle for any other god?)
It's on my list, though right now I'm much more concerned with calendar-building, because that's the point that's much more immediately pressing to figure out for the story I'm more or less writing at the moment.
i wish you all the best.
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Re: Mto

Post by Axiem » Thu 19 Apr 2018, 04:23

Keenir wrote:
Thu 19 Apr 2018, 04:14
I suppose my point was that, even if the goddess of joking came down and said "don't worry, I'm not going to play a joke on you"...how do I know she's not joking when she says that? (and by extension, the same principle for any other god?)
That's part of what I need to re-tool and hammer out and explain better ;)

That is, one of the things I've been contemplating is like, okay, Anadiel is pretty tightly tied to Entleis and is involved in statecraft at a high level. Let's say Entleis goes to war with someone; her followers are going to be like "hey Anadiel, can you please strike the leader of our enemies dead? Here's looooooots of offerings!" And in regards to what the deities are capable of, killing someone is definitely on the list—so what stops Anadiel from actually going and killing the opposing leader, or that really annoying general? (And, to your point, should that general suddenly get a heart attack for unrelated reasons, what's to stop everyone from blaming Anadiel?)

These are things I still need to work out better; I'm not satisfied with what I have yet.
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Re: Mto

Post by Axiem » Thu 19 Apr 2018, 19:34

This is one of the things that's handled by the deities-playing-Civilization idea, for what it's worth. Implicit is that each deity can only really affect things within the bounds of their nation and among their followers; things like disputed boundaries would be subject to particular rules on the deity's side (that basically come down to "you can't interfere here')

A thing I am contemplating is actually removing the ability for the deities to interact with or affect the physical reality (except, perhaps, for "consuming" offerings). Instead, all they can do is basically talk to people and/or do grand displays of illusion. It limits their influence more into advisory roles, though it doesn't quite solve the divination problem (of "oh Anadiel, tell me my enemy's troop positions and movements!" sorts). And then, what becomes of angels—are they bound by the same rules?

All things I have to consider.

Meanwhile, I'm coming much closer on doing astronomical stuff for calendar-building. Now, I just need to decide when my astronomical data epoch begins.
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