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by cedh
11 Apr 2019 08:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5150
Views: 618310

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I agree with sangi39 that the lack of /tsʼ tɬʼ/ is fairly unusual in such an inventory, but given your relatively simple syllable structure, this lack is easy to explain with diachronics: Suppose an earlier stage of the language had no glottalized consonants, with only /p t k ʔ/ as voiceless stops, ...
by cedh
07 Mar 2019 00:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14604
Views: 1213909

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I see. That's how applicatives on a transitive base often work, and yes, it would be like swapping arguments. But what if you change both the case and the word order, like I suggested above: John-NOM letter-ALL/DAT pen-ACC write-APPL or John-NOM letter-ACC pen-ACC write-APPL Would any of the above s...
by cedh
06 Mar 2019 09:16
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14604
Views: 1213909

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does your language already have an alternative ditransitive construction distinct from donor-[nominative] recipient-[accusative] VERB theme-[instrumental] , where the relative focus level of recipient and theme is different? If yes, I'd suggest using that construction for applicativized verbs too. W...
by cedh
05 Mar 2019 11:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14604
Views: 1213909

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

There are languages where applicativized versions of transitive or ditransitive verbs do not actually increase valency, but instead demote the original object to oblique status. Sometimes this demoted object is marked with the same case or adposition that the applied object used to have before appli...
by cedh
28 Feb 2019 08:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5150
Views: 618310

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

What about [+/-nasal], [+/-dorsal], [+/-labial], giving something like the following? /p t/ /kʷ k/ /m n/ /ŋʷ ŋ/ This could even be expanded to vowels: /y i/ /u ɑ/ /ỹ ĩ/ /ũ ɑ̃/ Or else, [+/-voiced], [+/-continuant], [+/-labial]: /p t~k/ /b~m d~ɡ~n~ŋ/ /f s~ʃ~x~h/ /w r~l~j/ Depending on whether you cou...
by cedh
09 Dec 2018 10:29
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: British Romance Language Collablang
Replies: 270
Views: 60218

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

98: a 99: b 100: d: /f v s z ʃ/ - <f~ff f s~ss s sci~sc> (/f s/ would be <f s> word-initially and adjacent to a consonant, and <ff ss> intervocalically. /ʃ/ would be <sci> before back vowels and <sc> before front vowels, i.e. the same orthographic alternation as with /tʃ/ <ci~c> in 99b.) 101: b Can ...
by cedh
06 Dec 2018 08:24
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14604
Views: 1213909

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Verb-medial (SVO) languages tend not to be ergative/absolutive. See http://aveneca.com/cbb/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1454&p=60979&hilit=Verb+medial+non+ergative#p60979 http://aveneca.com/cbb/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1454&p=72868&hilit=Verb+medial+non+ergative#p72868 http://aveneca.com/cbb/viewtopic.php?f=29...
by cedh
22 Nov 2018 18:22
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6908
Views: 815862

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does anyone know of a natural language where the grammatical marking of a certain type of oblique object is suppletive based on the number, definiteness, or topicality of the subject of the clause? For example, a language that regularly uses one adposition to mark a certain type of oblique object wh...
by cedh
19 Nov 2018 17:34
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Replies: 659
Views: 125015

Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

Spoiler:
My guess for the earliest proto-word (after reading Sangi's latest reconstruction) would be *ambəkdɨ, with a prenasalised stop and two central vowels.
by cedh
15 Nov 2018 09:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14604
Views: 1213909

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

For north and south, you could also use boreal and austral respectively.
by cedh
13 Nov 2018 09:14
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6908
Views: 815862

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I just discovered today that German has a very unproductive progressive passive that I would really like to see expanded. You nominalize the verb by taking the stem and attaching a schwa. The resulting noun is of feminine gender and gets a definite determiner inside a locational copula construction...
by cedh
31 Oct 2018 09:07
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: In Other Community News...
Replies: 10
Views: 11782

Re: In Other Community News...

NEWS YOU CAN USE! The Language Creation Society is pleased as pomegranate punch to announce the venue and particulars for the eighth Language Creation Conference (LCC8). I’d be curious to know which (if any) members of this forum have attended these events, and if so, what their impressions were. I...
by cedh
30 Oct 2018 19:54
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Writing sound changes so I understand later
Replies: 4
Views: 1932

Re: Writing sound changes so I understand later

OK, so you want medial clusters only, and are not really in favor of word-final consonants. This means your sound changes could look something like this: a > ɐ / _ except #(C)_ and C_# ɐ > Ø / VC_CV (starting at the beginning of a word, and targeting the next vowel only if the preceding vowel hasn't...
by cedh
30 Oct 2018 09:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5150
Views: 618310

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Porphyrogenitos wrote:
30 Oct 2018 06:12
It's horrifying, and brilliant. Horrifying in an impressive way.
[+1]
by cedh
30 Oct 2018 09:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Writing sound changes so I understand later
Replies: 4
Views: 1932

Re: Writing sound changes so I understand later

Are you okay with word-initial *#CaCu becoming #CCu? And with word-final *CVCa# becoming CVC#? Should word-final *VCaCa# typically become VCCa#, VCaC#, or VCC#?

(I'm using <#> to explicitly write out the word boundary.)
by cedh
29 Oct 2018 08:27
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5150
Views: 618310

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Nice! I think I'd personally like to have more geminates and metathesis of /ʔ/, as in this partial table (h₁ and h₂ are alternative options for clusters involving /h/): n p t k p pp [pp] [pp] t [tt] tt [tt] k [kk] [kk] kk ʔ ʔn ʔp ʔt ʔk h₁ [n̥] [f] [θ] [x] h₂ [nn] [pp] [tt] [kk]
by cedh
20 Oct 2018 17:31
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Advice for Omyatloko
Replies: 18
Views: 4029

Re: Advice for Omyatloko

masako wrote:
20 Oct 2018 13:29
https://i.imgur.com/hiVkIRK.png Hopefully this clears up some confusion.
Ah, I see. Thank you!
by cedh
20 Oct 2018 10:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Advice for Omyatloko
Replies: 18
Views: 4029

Re: Advice for Omyatloko

How is the handwritten style related to the block style? I can see some similarities, but the glyphs don't seem to correspond...
by cedh
18 Oct 2018 10:32
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14604
Views: 1213909

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

On my own note, what are good ways to derive /l/ (or other laterals) in a phonology that doesn't have it. I figure coronals would be a good place to start, but am not sure in what environments this would be likely to happen. * put this in there to stop bbcode hopefully it works In Hong Kong Cantone...
by cedh
14 Oct 2018 15:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Advice for Omyatloko
Replies: 18
Views: 4029

Re: Advice for Omyatloko

What about using some glyphs both as a logogram and as a phonetic glyph for the initial syllable of the most basic word for the concept represented by the logogram?