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by Salmoneus
18 Jan 2020 20:21
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932381

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

It seems like the dual is something languages create early on only to later abandon I can't disprove this theory. However, it would rely on almost incomprehensible good luck. A quick timeline: 20,000,000-15,000,000 BP: Great apes (hominids) split from gibbons. Gibbons are already very intelligent, ...
by Salmoneus
17 Jan 2020 21:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 83
Views: 1351

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

It is a common tendency for languages with /a/ and /a:/ to develop a qualitative distinction so as to differentiate the two phonemes more clearly... (Iranian) Persian fronted /a/, while Hungarian and Common Slavic backened it, the latter to the point that it becomes /o/. Yes, I was going to say thi...
by Salmoneus
17 Jan 2020 19:27
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: The Sixth Conversation Thread
Replies: 64
Views: 8531

Re: The Sixth Conversation Thread

Sal, do you have any post-1970 examples? There's a lot of books I can think of that do extensive footnotes for humor (Discworld and the Bartimaeus Trilogy immediately come to mind), but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing you mean, or if you mean something more like The Princess Bride , where ...
by Salmoneus
17 Jan 2020 14:48
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: The Sixth Conversation Thread
Replies: 64
Views: 8531

Re: The Sixth Conversation Thread

Question 2: what examples do you know of of this, dating from before, say, 1970? I’d say The Iron Heel by Jack London, published in 1901 or 1904. An althist fiction wherein some historian from the future reads the diary of some woman who was married to what the historian’s society considers a hero ...
by Salmoneus
15 Jan 2020 19:14
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Today I learned ...
Replies: 53
Views: 51453

Re: Today I learned ...

Yes. Intuitively, it's because, as the verbal desinences decline in distinctness (and eventually merge), pronoun use, which was once optional, gradually becomes more and more obligatory, to prevent misunderstandings (which, in turn, reduces the need to innovate new desinences as the old ones become ...
by Salmoneus
14 Jan 2020 18:32
Forum: Translations
Topic: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs
Replies: 2253
Views: 289228

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

I'm wondering if this phrase/concept is actually a lot more obscure than I thought. It's a 19th century misquotation from Hamlet (Shakespeare's actual line was 'the very witching time of night'). There seems to have been a general belief, or at least dramatic conceit, at that time in England that t...
by Salmoneus
12 Jan 2020 21:35
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: How to answer this question of phonology?
Replies: 6
Views: 160

Re: How to answer this question of phonology?

I expect that if your teacher set that homework for you, it's because they expect that you can answer it yourself. And if you can't, leaning on getting the answer off of's the internet rather than actually getting yourself to the place, educationally, your teacher expects you to be is not going to h...
by Salmoneus
12 Jan 2020 19:48
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: (EE) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 348
Views: 252282

Re: (EE) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Huh... I didn't know there had been any controversy around it, but I remember thinking the film was pretty cool (but not great or anything). 'Controversy' is understating it. There were large-scale boycotts (at least, as large-scale as "boycotting a niche SF film because of LGBTQ issues regarding t...
by Salmoneus
11 Jan 2020 02:40
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: (EE) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 348
Views: 252282

Re: (EE) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I don't frequent youtubing conworlding channels (and didn't really think of them existing, to be honest), so I can't answer the narrow questions. I think sangi's points are worthwhile, although I wouldn't draw the line he does between 'right-wing' and 'lack of research'. It's entirely possible to be...
by Salmoneus
10 Jan 2020 00:55
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 6
Views: 223

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

Regarding small islands, one interesting benchmark are the Pitcairns. The Pitcairns are slightly smaller than the Chagos Islands, but only very slightly. They were settled by the Polynesians, who lived there for centuries... but that settlement was only viable due to interaction with the larger comm...
by Salmoneus
09 Jan 2020 02:29
Forum: Translations
Topic: The Public's Eyes, Ears and Mouths
Replies: 11
Views: 269

Re: The Public's Eyes, Ears and Mouths

Ooh, I didn't know about Wackernagel's Law. Funnily enough, I did this with clitics in a previous conlang without knowing it had a name. ANADEW, as ever. It's fun! Likewise, breaking up noun phrases and randomly scattering the parts through a sentence because "ah, the agreement will sort it all out...
by Salmoneus
09 Jan 2020 02:27
Forum: Translations
Topic: The Public's Eyes, Ears and Mouths
Replies: 11
Views: 269

Re: The Public's Eyes, Ears and Mouths

Ha, clitics splitting up phrases due to strong Wackerangel behavior reminds me of my native language (although it's more characteristic of the written language than the spoken one). Tell me more! Unfortunately, most of the things I can find about Wackernagelisation seem to assume you already know w...
by Salmoneus
09 Jan 2020 02:23
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 83
Views: 1351

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Well, what are the closest languages to Chamorro? There seems to be none, just like Javanese. Chamorro is believed to have been settled early, probably from the west (and certainly not the east). A cultural key feature is that the Chamorro were reliant on rice, unlike all other Micronesians. Rice c...
by Salmoneus
09 Jan 2020 02:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 83
Views: 1351

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

The question of urbanisation, however, doesn't seem that relevant; most Indonesians did not live in cities. What's more, "ports" and "fleets" aren't things that develop AFTER urbanisation - they're in many cases, certainly in this context, the prerequisites of urbanisation. Having fleets and ports ...
by Salmoneus
08 Jan 2020 01:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 83
Views: 1351

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

*sigh*

OK, I'm sorry for biting back. But come on, seriously, "m8, you don't seem to get prose"? Let's not have a flamewar, please.
by Salmoneus
07 Jan 2020 22:18
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 83
Views: 1351

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

The Austronesians have the sea in their blood... how do you think they managed to reach as far as the Easter Islands? Naively, I'd always assumed that this was because of boats, rather than just some innate racial superiority as you suggest. Ah, m8, you don't seem to get prose... Ah, that's what it...
by Salmoneus
07 Jan 2020 21:06
Forum: Translations
Topic: The Public's Eyes, Ears and Mouths
Replies: 11
Views: 269

Re: The Public's Eyes, Ears and Mouths

It was pretty interesting to see that the plural of gacúl "eye", according to the existing grammar rules, is gagúlan , which looks and sounds pretty awful. I have never needed to use this plural before, as you usually use the dual gacúm when talking about someone's eyes, which was not applicable he...
by Salmoneus
06 Jan 2020 23:25
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: The Sixth Conversation Thread
Replies: 64
Views: 8531

Re: The Sixth Conversation Thread

A long shot, but maybe somebody here can answer my question... actually, two questions... Some fiction (particularly but not exclusively postmodern) presents itself as containing both an "original" text and a "commentary" (editorial notes, analysis, explanation of how the text was discovered, etc). ...
by Salmoneus
06 Jan 2020 21:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 83
Views: 1351

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

The Austronesians have the sea in their blood... how do you think they managed to reach as far as the Easter Islands? Naively, I'd always assumed that this was because of boats, rather than just some innate racial superiority as you suggest. Though that was around 3000-2000 B.C. it seems; by the ti...
by Salmoneus
05 Jan 2020 15:39
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5938
Views: 1403854

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Substratum theories are now pretty much out of fashion in Romance and Celtic linguistics. The dialectal divisions within Romance do not match the linguistic divisions in pre-Roman Western Europe well, and the phenomena the substratum theories sought to explain are in most instances simply not old e...