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by Porphyrogenitos
18 May 2019 16:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Ni'óno3íínow - Esseintially just Latin really
Replies: 61
Views: 7555

Re: Ni'óno3íínow - Esseintially just Latin really

This is a fantastic project. One thing I have to pick at: It's pretty likely that unconditional /f/ > /θ/ is an unnatural sound change (though /θ/ > /f/ is natural). IIRC in a paper or book chapter by Juliette Blevins, she shows that there are no attested cases of /f/ > /θ/ anywhere in the world. Yo...
by Porphyrogenitos
13 May 2019 04:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14698
Views: 1233971

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

The ship sailed on Neogrammarian sound change decades ago (or at least on an absolutist conception of it). We know that sound change isn't perfectly exceptionless but it's necessary to pretend it is when, for example, embarking on the reconstruction of a language family. And that assumption works pr...
by Porphyrogenitos
13 May 2019 03:55
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Proto-Lothopota
Replies: 6
Views: 147

Re: Proto-Lothopota

I think doubling vowels is a perfectly good orthographic choice for long vowels. It's used in plenty of languages, including Finnish, and historically for the English mid vowels.
by Porphyrogenitos
05 May 2019 07:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Something obnoxious - a tongueless phonology. Well, a tongueless consonant inventory: /m/ /p ʔ/ /f h/ /v ʕ/ /ʕ/ is variously [ʕ~ʕ̝~ɦ~ɑ̯] Syllable structure is (C)V(C), with any consonant permitted in coda position, but with some degree of historic and synchronic simplication and assimilation nonethe...
by Porphyrogenitos
22 Apr 2019 01:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m n ɲ ŋ/ /p t c k ʔ/ /a i u/ Syllable structure is (C)V(C). Nasals assimilate in place to a following consonant, non-nasals assimilate totally to a following consonant. Stops are voiced after nasals, and non-glottal stops are lenited and possibly voiced between stops, maybe something like [ɸ θ ç x]...
by Porphyrogenitos
14 Apr 2019 04:03
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Omzinesý's quick triconsonantal language
Replies: 4
Views: 200

Re: Omzinesý's quick triconsonantal language

Nice. An egophoric evidential seems new to me, though maybe it's already a thing in a natlang. It certainly makes sense. That evidential distinction will disappear as soon as speakers merge those unstressed vowels, though. Not to say that ever has to happen. Also, what is that noun that's being decl...
by Porphyrogenitos
05 Apr 2019 23:18
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

So, a concept based on some things I learned about in some recent classes. A while ago I read about tone sandhi, and how in many Sinitic tone sandhi systems, you'll have a thing where every syllable in a syntactic phrase takes the sandhi-tone except for the last, and how each tone essentially has on...
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Mar 2019 00:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

What about [+/-nasal], [+/-dorsal], [+/-labial], giving something like the following? /p t/ /kʷ k/ /m n/ /ŋʷ ŋ/ Or else, [+/-voiced], [+/-continuant], [+/-labial]: /p t~k/ /b~m d~ɡ~n~ŋ/ /f s~ʃ~x~h/ /w r~l~j/ I always thought that [+/-sonorant],[+/-continuant] and [+/-alveolar] is the perfect cube. ...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Feb 2019 07:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

WAIT! /t͡ʃ/ is phonemic AND down-the-board, alternatively phonetic?! Yeah, it was really kind of a broken inventory. Really just intended to get us to write a rule with an unusual combination of features. And on the topic of features, I'm trying to think of a "cubic" consonant inventory based on a ...
by Porphyrogenitos
22 Feb 2019 20:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A weird throwaway toy inventory and a weird rule that appeared in a small question on my phonology homework:

/n ŋ/
/p t t͡ʃ k/

/a e i o u/

t → t͡ʃ / _{a e i o u k ŋ}
by Porphyrogenitos
17 Feb 2019 23:39
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A small system with suprasegmental nasality /p t c k/ /b d ɟ g/ /h/ /a i u/ + length Syllable structure is (C)V(V). Stress is root-initial. Both onsets and rhymes may bear nasality, but the voiceless obstruents and /h/ cannot bear nasality. Underlying /b̃ d̃ ɟ̃ g̃ ã ĩ ũ/ are [m n ɲ ŋ ã ẽ õ] Intervoc...
by Porphyrogenitos
31 Dec 2018 08:40
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6945
Views: 827513

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

In French at least, perhaps it was due to the merger with the paragogic prop vowel, which IIRC actually was originally /e/?
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Dec 2018 21:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Just a small thing with a surface vowel inventory generated from underlying /i e a/ and /w/: /m n/ /p t k/ /b d g/ /s x/ /w/ /a e i/ All segments spelled as in the IPA. Syllable structure is maximally CwVwC. Stress is word-final. Long/geminate vowels and consonants are forbidden; multiple adjacent i...
by Porphyrogenitos
19 Dec 2018 06:50
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6945
Views: 827513

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is that the kind of thing you were asking about? Yes, these are great examples! Thank you. Skou (CV, 23 phonemes) and Nimboran (CCVC, 18 segments) are other examples of languages with axe-crazy morphophonology and relatively tame phoneme inventories and phonotactics. I actually think that the oppos...
by Porphyrogenitos
18 Dec 2018 05:26
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6945
Views: 827513

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does anyone know of any languages with fairly simple phonologies - especially ones with small phoneme inventories, and possibly ones with very simple phonotactics - that have a good amount of morphological alternations? I can think of rendaku and Lyman's law in Japanese, and those stem extensions th...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Dec 2018 07:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Are there enough syllables to allow for complex language? It seems like the ragged lower edge of minimalism. (I also don't mean this as a harsh critique, I am sincerely curious if this paucity of phonemes could work especially with vowel harmony which further restricts combinations). Maybe if you t...
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Dec 2018 06:53
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Rotokas-esque pa pi pu pã pĩ pũ ba bi bu mã mĩ mũ ta si tu tã sĩ tũ da di du nã nĩ nũ ka ki ku kã kĩ kũ ga gi gu ŋã ŋĩ ŋũ paː piː puː pãː pĩː pũː baː biː buː mãː mĩː mũː taː siː tuː tãː sĩː tũː daː diː duː nãː nĩː nũː kaː kiː kuː kãː kĩː kũː gaː giː guː ŋãː ŋĩː ŋũː a i u ã ĩ ũ aː iː uː ãː ĩː ũː As o...
by Porphyrogenitos
27 Nov 2018 05:18
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6945
Views: 827513

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does anyone know of any vowel length alternation systems that have developed recently? Or that otherwise have a well-understood origin? And would anyone happen to have links or info about such a system?
by Porphyrogenitos
13 Nov 2018 22:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m n ŋ/ m n g
/p t k ʔ/ p t k h

/a e i o u/ a e i o u

(C)V(ʔ/N)

/ʔ/ may not appear syllable-initially
Stress is lexical

/m n ŋ/ neutralize in coda
/ʔ/ completely assimilates to following consonant
p t k > b d g / N_
p t k > f s x / V́_V
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Nov 2018 21:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5169
Views: 626809

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m ŋ ɴ/ /p k q ʔ/ /β̞ ɣ̞ ʁ̞ h/ /i a u/ [e o] (C)V[ʔ/h] Initial stress. Uvulars trigger rightward backness/height harmony, turning /ŋ k ɣ̞/ into /ɴ q ʁ̞/ and lowering /i u/ to [e o] until blocked by a labial. /pahiqu/ + /ŋiʔ/ + /ɣ̞i/ > [pahiqoɴeʔʁ̞e] Alternative version: [m ŋ ɴ] /p k q ʔ/ /β̞ ɣ̞ ʁ̞ h...