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by Porphyrogenitos
22 Feb 2019 20:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A weird throwaway toy inventory and a weird rule that appeared in a small question on my phonology homework:

/n ŋ/
/p t t͡ʃ k/

/a e i o u/

t → t͡ʃ / _{a e i o u k ŋ}
by Porphyrogenitos
17 Feb 2019 23:39
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A small system with suprasegmental nasality /p t c k/ /b d ɟ g/ /h/ /a i u/ + length Syllable structure is (C)V(V). Stress is root-initial. Both onsets and rhymes may bear nasality, but the voiceless obstruents and /h/ cannot bear nasality. Underlying /b̃ d̃ ɟ̃ g̃ ã ĩ ũ/ are [m n ɲ ŋ ã ẽ õ] Intervoc...
by Porphyrogenitos
31 Dec 2018 08:40
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6833
Views: 792481

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

In French at least, perhaps it was due to the merger with the paragogic prop vowel, which IIRC actually was originally /e/?
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Dec 2018 21:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Just a small thing with a surface vowel inventory generated from underlying /i e a/ and /w/: /m n/ /p t k/ /b d g/ /s x/ /w/ /a e i/ All segments spelled as in the IPA. Syllable structure is maximally CwVwC. Stress is word-final. Long/geminate vowels and consonants are forbidden; multiple adjacent i...
by Porphyrogenitos
19 Dec 2018 06:50
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6833
Views: 792481

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is that the kind of thing you were asking about? Yes, these are great examples! Thank you. Skou (CV, 23 phonemes) and Nimboran (CCVC, 18 segments) are other examples of languages with axe-crazy morphophonology and relatively tame phoneme inventories and phonotactics. I actually think that the oppos...
by Porphyrogenitos
18 Dec 2018 05:26
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6833
Views: 792481

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does anyone know of any languages with fairly simple phonologies - especially ones with small phoneme inventories, and possibly ones with very simple phonotactics - that have a good amount of morphological alternations? I can think of rendaku and Lyman's law in Japanese, and those stem extensions th...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Dec 2018 07:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Are there enough syllables to allow for complex language? It seems like the ragged lower edge of minimalism. (I also don't mean this as a harsh critique, I am sincerely curious if this paucity of phonemes could work especially with vowel harmony which further restricts combinations). Maybe if you t...
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Dec 2018 06:53
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Rotokas-esque pa pi pu pã pĩ pũ ba bi bu mã mĩ mũ ta si tu tã sĩ tũ da di du nã nĩ nũ ka ki ku kã kĩ kũ ga gi gu ŋã ŋĩ ŋũ paː piː puː pãː pĩː pũː baː biː buː mãː mĩː mũː taː siː tuː tãː sĩː tũː daː diː duː nãː nĩː nũː kaː kiː kuː kãː kĩː kũː gaː giː guː ŋãː ŋĩː ŋũː a i u ã ĩ ũ aː iː uː ãː ĩː ũː As o...
by Porphyrogenitos
27 Nov 2018 05:18
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6833
Views: 792481

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does anyone know of any vowel length alternation systems that have developed recently? Or that otherwise have a well-understood origin? And would anyone happen to have links or info about such a system?
by Porphyrogenitos
13 Nov 2018 22:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m n ŋ/ m n g
/p t k ʔ/ p t k h

/a e i o u/ a e i o u

(C)V(ʔ/N)

/ʔ/ may not appear syllable-initially
Stress is lexical

/m n ŋ/ neutralize in coda
/ʔ/ completely assimilates to following consonant
p t k > b d g / N_
p t k > f s x / V́_V
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Nov 2018 21:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m ŋ ɴ/ /p k q ʔ/ /β̞ ɣ̞ ʁ̞ h/ /i a u/ [e o] (C)V[ʔ/h] Initial stress. Uvulars trigger rightward backness/height harmony, turning /ŋ k ɣ̞/ into /ɴ q ʁ̞/ and lowering /i u/ to [e o] until blocked by a labial. /pahiqu/ + /ŋiʔ/ + /ɣ̞i/ > [pahiqoɴeʔʁ̞e] Alternative version: [m ŋ ɴ] /p k q ʔ/ /β̞ ɣ̞ ʁ̞ h...
by Porphyrogenitos
31 Oct 2018 22:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 20
Views: 5887

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

ajidá lavyéki ‘the old city’ ajidá e savyéki ‘the city is old’ anachidá ‘to some cities’ mbáza mvyéki ‘an old sparrow’ anopáza novyéki ‘to some old sparrows’ opáza so novyéki ‘the sparrows are old’ evyéki ‘the old one’ dumvyéki ‘of an old one’ anovyéki ‘to some old ones’ etené savyéki ‘she becomes ...
by Porphyrogenitos
30 Oct 2018 06:12
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Since no one else has replied, I'll say it: It's horrifying, and brilliant. Horrifying in an impressive way. It's very creative, and though I can't imagine a way for such a system to arise naturally, it doesn't seem beyond the pale that such a structure could be acquired mostly intact by a child lea...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2018 18:23
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Oh yeah, you're right, I wasn't thinking of African or European type height harmony systems. I was thinking of a completely bifurcated height system, like with two groups /i u ə/ and /e o a/, which is apparently attested in some Mayan language, IIRC. As for transparent and opaque vowels - I guess fo...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2018 17:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Btw, I really appreciate people putting effort in things other than phoneme inventories. Thanks! Could you elaborate on how you would imagine them to work? I am not used to this way of writing down vowel harmony. E.g. Does A mean that each word can either have only /i e/ or only /e a/ or only /u o/...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2018 04:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Four frontness/height-based vowel harmony systems: A /i e a o u/ Front/high: /i e/ Front/low: /e a/ Back/high: /u o/ Back/low: /o a/ (in accordance with the convention I use for D below, you could also describe it as...) /i e¹ e² a o¹ o² u/ Front/high: /i e¹/ Front/low: /e² a/ Back/high: /u o¹/ Back...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Oct 2018 21:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 20
Views: 5887

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

Actually, putting this here, too, since it ended up being a more developed version of the idea I just posted. This version also includes possible definite plural forms: /p t k/ /b d g/ /s h/ /r l/ /w j/ /i iː e eː a aː o oː u uː (ə)/ Initial stress Some words: oːk 'dog' na oːk 'the dog' oːkd 'dogs' ...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Oct 2018 20:53
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5124
Views: 602596

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/p t k/ /b d g/ /s h/ /r l/ /w j/ /i iː e eː a aː o oː u uː (ə)/ Initial stress Some words: oːk 'dog' na oːk 'the dog' oːkd 'dogs' kim 'cat' na kim 'the cat' kimd 'cats' heːb 'son' na heːb 'the son' heːbd 'sons' kud 'man' na kud 'the man' kudəd 'men' - Nasal assimilation - Progressive voicing assimi...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Oct 2018 04:33
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 20
Views: 5887

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

Messing around with some alternations inspired by English and other things - imagine a language with a plural -g and begadkefat-type spirantization, with some other developments in the meantime baʔ - baɣ naðð - naθk namm - naŋk haxx - haxk loo - looɣ pii - piiɣ naað - naθk seeβ - seɸk huux - huxk ka...
by Porphyrogenitos
22 Oct 2018 21:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Collaborative Conlang Evolution
Replies: 6
Views: 1508

Re: Collaborative Conlang Evolution

I'll vote.