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by Porphyrogenitos
03 Dec 2018 07:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Are there enough syllables to allow for complex language? It seems like the ragged lower edge of minimalism. (I also don't mean this as a harsh critique, I am sincerely curious if this paucity of phonemes could work especially with vowel harmony which further restricts combinations). Maybe if you t...
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Dec 2018 06:53
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Rotokas-esque pa pi pu pã pĩ pũ ba bi bu mã mĩ mũ ta si tu tã sĩ tũ da di du nã nĩ nũ ka ki ku kã kĩ kũ ga gi gu ŋã ŋĩ ŋũ paː piː puː pãː pĩː pũː baː biː buː mãː mĩː mũː taː siː tuː tãː sĩː tũː daː diː duː nãː nĩː nũː kaː kiː kuː kãː kĩː kũː gaː giː guː ŋãː ŋĩː ŋũː a i u ã ĩ ũ aː iː uː ãː ĩː ũː As o...
by Porphyrogenitos
27 Nov 2018 05:18
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6790
Views: 722768

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Does anyone know of any vowel length alternation systems that have developed recently? Or that otherwise have a well-understood origin? And would anyone happen to have links or info about such a system?
by Porphyrogenitos
13 Nov 2018 22:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m n ŋ/ m n g
/p t k ʔ/ p t k h

/a e i o u/ a e i o u

(C)V(ʔ/N)

/ʔ/ may not appear syllable-initially
Stress is lexical

/m n ŋ/ neutralize in coda
/ʔ/ completely assimilates to following consonant
p t k > b d g / N_
p t k > f s x / V́_V
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Nov 2018 21:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/m ŋ ɴ/ /p k q ʔ/ /β̞ ɣ̞ ʁ̞ h/ /i a u/ [e o] (C)V[ʔ/h] Initial stress. Uvulars trigger rightward backness/height harmony, turning /ŋ k ɣ̞/ into /ɴ q ʁ̞/ and lowering /i u/ to [e o] until blocked by a labial. /pahiqu/ + /ŋiʔ/ + /ɣ̞i/ > [pahiqoɴeʔʁ̞e] Alternative version: [m ŋ ɴ] /p k q ʔ/ /β̞ ɣ̞ ʁ̞ h...
by Porphyrogenitos
31 Oct 2018 22:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 20
Views: 5002

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

ajidá lavyéki ‘the old city’ ajidá e savyéki ‘the city is old’ anachidá ‘to some cities’ mbáza mvyéki ‘an old sparrow’ anopáza novyéki ‘to some old sparrows’ opáza so novyéki ‘the sparrows are old’ evyéki ‘the old one’ dumvyéki ‘of an old one’ anovyéki ‘to some old ones’ etené savyéki ‘she becomes ...
by Porphyrogenitos
30 Oct 2018 06:12
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Since no one else has replied, I'll say it: It's horrifying, and brilliant. Horrifying in an impressive way. It's very creative, and though I can't imagine a way for such a system to arise naturally, it doesn't seem beyond the pale that such a structure could be acquired mostly intact by a child lea...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2018 18:23
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Oh yeah, you're right, I wasn't thinking of African or European type height harmony systems. I was thinking of a completely bifurcated height system, like with two groups /i u ə/ and /e o a/, which is apparently attested in some Mayan language, IIRC. As for transparent and opaque vowels - I guess fo...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2018 17:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Btw, I really appreciate people putting effort in things other than phoneme inventories. Thanks! Could you elaborate on how you would imagine them to work? I am not used to this way of writing down vowel harmony. E.g. Does A mean that each word can either have only /i e/ or only /e a/ or only /u o/...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2018 04:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Four frontness/height-based vowel harmony systems: A /i e a o u/ Front/high: /i e/ Front/low: /e a/ Back/high: /u o/ Back/low: /o a/ (in accordance with the convention I use for D below, you could also describe it as...) /i e¹ e² a o¹ o² u/ Front/high: /i e¹/ Front/low: /e² a/ Back/high: /u o¹/ Back...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Oct 2018 21:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 20
Views: 5002

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

Actually, putting this here, too, since it ended up being a more developed version of the idea I just posted. This version also includes possible definite plural forms: /p t k/ /b d g/ /s h/ /r l/ /w j/ /i iː e eː a aː o oː u uː (ə)/ Initial stress Some words: oːk 'dog' na oːk 'the dog' oːkd 'dogs' ...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Oct 2018 20:53
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/p t k/ /b d g/ /s h/ /r l/ /w j/ /i iː e eː a aː o oː u uː (ə)/ Initial stress Some words: oːk 'dog' na oːk 'the dog' oːkd 'dogs' kim 'cat' na kim 'the cat' kimd 'cats' heːb 'son' na heːb 'the son' heːbd 'sons' kud 'man' na kud 'the man' kudəd 'men' - Nasal assimilation - Progressive voicing assimi...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Oct 2018 04:33
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 20
Views: 5002

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

Messing around with some alternations inspired by English and other things - imagine a language with a plural -g and begadkefat-type spirantization, with some other developments in the meantime baʔ - baɣ naðð - naθk namm - naŋk haxx - haxk loo - looɣ pii - piiɣ naað - naθk seeβ - seɸk huux - huxk ka...
by Porphyrogenitos
22 Oct 2018 21:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Collaborative Conlang Evolution
Replies: 6
Views: 1268

Re: Collaborative Conlang Evolution

I'll vote.
by Porphyrogenitos
21 Oct 2018 21:33
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14319
Views: 1081377

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

The vowel harmony system would probably just cease to be productive. Suffixes displaying alternations would likely just remain as they are, at least initially, but newly-derived words, or newly-adopted loanwords, would probably just take one of the variants by default, or would take one of them depe...
by Porphyrogenitos
21 Oct 2018 20:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14319
Views: 1081377

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Basically what people are saying is that it's implausible for any sound change or series of sound changes to cause a language to not have any stop consonants. Languages have stop consonants, period. Or well, real-life languages do, anyways. With a conlang you're free to do what you want - but, when ...
by Porphyrogenitos
19 Oct 2018 06:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 5088
Views: 557155

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

What were the sound changes for each of those versions? I'm curious, especially with that single stop series.
by Porphyrogenitos
15 Oct 2018 22:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Lapdeutsch
Replies: 45
Views: 17223

Re: Lapdeutsch

Looking forward to more!

What happens to the Germanic strong and weak adjective inflections?
by Porphyrogenitos
08 Oct 2018 00:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14319
Views: 1081377

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Dhoan will feature allophonic, word-initial length distinction. As of now, it only affects one syllable words, like anx [ɑ̟̃ːx]. Is this or all word-initial vowels being lengthened more natural? Well, firstly, if it's just allophonic, it's not a distinction. Your phrasing tripped me up there. You c...
by Porphyrogenitos
06 Oct 2018 01:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14319
Views: 1081377

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Also, it depends on when the sound change happened - before or after the orthography was established. If the orthography was established before the sound change, it would likely just keep using the same symbols as before, but with the shifted sound values. So we might see: þ = [θ] s = [s] s θ > ʃ s ...